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Posted: 29 March 2017 04:13 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Seems like everyone has to have everything in a nice little box. Religion has God in a box for us all. Now you have thinking in a nice little box. The trouble is what happens with all that good stuff outside the box? Oh yes, assumptions. If man only had one way of thinking, he would have a narrow view. That is why we have such diversity. We help each other spot those missing pieces of the puzzle. There is always hope when we admit assumptions have no probative value and agree to change when the truth is discovered. That is the most valuable thing we can do.
My questions. What happens when you discover God? Next, what happens if He shows Himself only to you?? Still change??? Be very careful that you don’t actually look for God. You could be in trouble having to change.>>>>>>>>>>>you have all my love and kindness>>>>>>>>>>>>P.S. A being capable of creating the universe to unfold from “The word of His power” is beyond being smart and intelligent humanly. Let’s not assume man is the smartest thing in the universe just yet! - jufa

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Posted: 29 March 2017 08:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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jufa - 29 March 2017 04:13 PM

My questions. What happens when you discover God?

The first thing to do is try to find and out if it’s actually your own egomaniacal Ego that you’ve “discovered” rather than god.  Particularly, important if you think the dude is talking to you.

There are other approaches to this spiritual challenge. http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19186/

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Posted: 30 March 2017 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 29 March 2017 08:47 PM
jufa - 29 March 2017 04:13 PM

My questions. What happens when you discover God?

The first thing to do is try to find and out if it’s actually your own egomaniacal Ego that you’ve “discovered” rather than god.  Particularly, important if you think the dude is talking to you.

There are other approaches to this spiritual challenge. http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19186/


Where do you get this knowledge from?

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Posted: 30 March 2017 10:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Sorry jufa, you just exposed your cards. Just another run of the mill christian who hasn’t examined their own beliefs. Good luck to you.

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Posted: 30 March 2017 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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jufa - 29 March 2017 04:13 PM

What happens when you discover God?

You start believing things that aren’t true.

Next, what happens if He shows Himself only to you?

You should seek psychiatric help to control the voices in your head.

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Posted: 30 March 2017 07:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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CuthbertJ - 30 March 2017 10:25 AM

Sorry jufa, you just exposed your cards. Just another run of the mill christian who hasn’t examined their own beliefs. Good luck to you.

Aah, you forgot to tell me which cards showed my nakedness.

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Posted: 30 March 2017 07:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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jufa - 29 March 2017 04:13 PM

What happens when you discover God?

You start believing things that aren’t true.
Do you know this to be true because you discovered your God?

Next, what happens if He shows Himself only to you?

You should seek psychiatric help to control the voices in your head.

Is this what the voices in your head told you to do?  Did it help?

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Posted: 30 March 2017 07:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Thinking was never in a box.

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Posted: 30 March 2017 08:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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jufa - 30 March 2017 07:21 PM
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jufa - 29 March 2017 04:13 PM

What happens when you discover God?

You start believing things that aren’t true.
Do you know this to be true because you discovered your God?

No. I know it is true because there is no evidence any god exists. I base my beliefs on evidence.

Next, what happens if He shows Himself only to you?
You should seek psychiatric help to control the voices in your head.
Is this what the voices in your head told you to do?  Did it help?

Didn’t need any voices in my head telling me anything. I studied the Bible, and at a friend’s insistence read Carl Sagan’s The Dragons of Eden. That book had the answers I had been seeking in the Bible. I’ve been reading and studying science and philosophy since, including college courses.

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Posted: 31 March 2017 08:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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jufa - 29 March 2017 04:13 PM

What happens when you discover God?

You start believing things that aren’t true.
Do you know this to be true because you discovered your God?

No. I know it is true because there is no evidence any god exists. I base my beliefs on evidence.

What evidence do you have God does not exist?  Surely should you dare present it this would end the the talk about God.  Patiently waiting to see this evidence.

Next, what happens if He shows Himself only to you?
You should seek psychiatric help to control the voices in your head.
Is this what the voices in your head told you to do?  Did it help?

Didn’t need any voices in my head telling me anything. I studied the Bible, and at a friend’s insistence read Carl Sagan’s The Dragons of Eden. That book had the answers I had been seeking in the Bible. I’ve been reading and studying science and philosophy since, including college courses.

Atheist study the Bible also. Reading, something another man has written or interpreted,  or listening to someone else speak, and passing said reading and hearing off as truth without the experience of knowing what prompted either to be projected, is pure hearsay, a lie based on relativism.  It like a snowball rolling down the side of a snow covered hill, it grows with more hear say lies of interpretations, or I mean misinterpretations.

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Posted: 31 March 2017 09:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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jufa - 29 March 2017 04:13 PM

My questions. What happens when you discover God?

The first thing to do is try to find and out if it’s actually your own egomaniacal Ego that you’ve “discovered” rather than god.  Particularly, important if you think the dude is talking to you.

There are other approaches to this spiritual challenge. http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19186/

Where do you get this knowledge from?

The Bible says seek and ye shall find.
I’ve been spending my entire life seeking, trying to be attentive and learning best I can.
I’m amazed at the wonderful things I’ve learned during those decades.

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Posted: 31 March 2017 10:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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jufa; do you consider your questions actual questions, or are they rhetorical. That is, are you open to hearing an answer (right or wrong)?

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Posted: 31 March 2017 11:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 31 March 2017 09:34 AM
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jufa - 29 March 2017 04:13 PM

My questions. What happens when you discover God?

The first thing to do is try to find and out if it’s actually your own egomaniacal Ego that you’ve “discovered” rather than god.  Particularly, important if you think the dude is talking to you.

There are other approaches to this spiritual challenge. http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19186/

Where do you get this knowledge from?

The Bible says seek and ye shall find.
I’ve been spending my entire life seeking, trying to be attentive and learning best I can.
I’m amazed at the wonderful things I’ve learned during those decades.

So did you find your God by being attentive, seeking, and reading the Bible?  If so, you can tell me what happens when you discover God, and give evidence of God’s existence which is acceptable by every other seeker worldwide.

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Posted: 31 March 2017 11:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Lausten - 31 March 2017 10:49 AM

jufa; do you consider your questions actual questions, or are they rhetorical. That is, are you open to hearing an answer (right or wrong)?

What I consider is irrelevant.  What I want from those who have given rhetorical answers is evidence to what they are stating, and then making me know and understand exactly as they have experienced what they present.  Just seeking some evidence beyond relativism.  Or getting me to see things from their angle of perception, when I’m standing at this angle perception.

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Posted: 31 March 2017 02:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Lausten - 31 March 2017 10:49 AM

jufa; do you consider your questions actual questions, or are they rhetorical. That is, are you open to hearing an answer (right or wrong)?

What I consider is irrelevant.  What I want from those who have given rhetorical answers is evidence to what they are stating, and then making me know and understand exactly as they have experienced what they present.  Just seeking some evidence beyond relativism.  Or getting me to see things from their angle of perception, when I’m standing at this angle perception.

Of course it’s relevant. If you aren’t interested in dialog, then I won’t engage in dialog. Some people come here just to make a point, but not listen. I’m asking if you are one of those people.

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Lausten - 31 March 2017 10:49 AM

jufa; do you consider your questions actual questions, or are they rhetorical. That is, are you open to hearing an answer (right or wrong)?

What I consider is irrelevant.  What I want from those who have given rhetorical answers is evidence to what they are stating, and then making me know and understand exactly as they have experienced what they present.  Just seeking some evidence beyond relativism.  Or getting me to see things from their angle of perception, when I’m standing at this angle perception.

Of course it’s relevant. If you aren’t interested in dialog, then I won’t engage in dialog. Some people come here just to make a point, but not listen. I’m asking if you are one of those people.

If it was relevant to the topic, then right and wrong would not be an issue.  But you have made right an wrong such without evidence that to one, right is wrong, and to another wrong is right.  So then your off topic question, and my reply is the answer to dialogue, but you seem to have missed it.  Self always create the problems for self, which is saying we are in a dialogue, but you are seeking to debate your question, and totally overlook the topic.  So you pose questions before answering the question, which the etiquette of writing courtesy stated in wrong, but you are attempting to make a right of it.  Yep “self always create the problems for self.”

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