Climate change debates worth watching
Posted: 05 April 2017 11:41 AM   [ Ignore ]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GHlnjrZLUo  This is a two sided debate by reasonably well established scientists who have no conflicts of interest known.

Skeptical inquirers like to hear the best of both sides of a point of interest.
Skeptical inquirers do not need to call names, close their ears or bombard with an activist shout down technique to interrupt inquiry.

This post is not for those who already know everything and would not change their mind for any reason.
This post is for those who wish to ignore political implications and pursue human understandings.
Of course, those predisposed to their own opinion only or those seeking political gain will still be outraged that someone is threatening their power base of lemmings.

But for those who are actually interested, I’ll update this post from time to time with other good climate debates and not just one sided bombardments.

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Posted: 05 April 2017 04:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Watched 35 min.  Have to see the rest later.

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Posted: 06 April 2017 10:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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JSmith - 05 April 2017 11:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GHlnjrZLUo  This is a two sided debate by reasonably well established scientists who have no conflicts of interest known.

Skeptical inquirers like to hear the best of both sides of a point of interest.
Skeptical inquirers do not need to call names, close their ears or bombard with an activist shout down technique to interrupt inquiry.

This post is not for those who already know everything and would not change their mind for any reason.
This post is for those who wish to ignore political implications and pursue human understandings.
Of course, those predisposed to their own opinion only or those seeking political gain will still be outraged that someone is threatening their power base of lemmings.

But for those who are actually interested, I’ll update this post from time to time with other good climate debates and not just one sided bombardments.

I didn’t watch, but what exactly are they debating? It’s settled that humans are the cause of the current disasterous climate change. Are they just debating the details?

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Posted: 06 April 2017 01:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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CuthbertJ - 06 April 2017 10:17 AM

I didn’t watch, but what exactly are they debating? It’s settled that humans are the cause of the current disasterous climate change. Are they just debating the details?

The guy that doesn’t dance is casting doubt on how disasterous it is and the degree to which humans are responsible.

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Posted: 07 April 2017 10:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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CuthbertJ - 06 April 2017 10:17 AM

I didn’t watch, but what exactly are they debating? It’s settled that humans are the cause of the current disasterous climate change. Are they just debating the details?

The guy that doesn’t dance is casting doubt on how disasterous it is and the degree to which humans are responsible.

psik

So he’s a paid hack trying to cast doubt on settled law. K, no thanks.

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Posted: 07 April 2017 03:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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OK, I have watched it up to the Q&A around 50 minutes.

There was no mention of Global Dimming by aerosols or Milankovitch Cycles.

Another issue is that this debate happened in 2013.  Since then we have had 3 sequential record breaking warm years.

The whole thing is kind of obsolete so it is nearly a waste of time to watch, much less talk about all of the things that are wrong with it.

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Posted: 07 April 2017 04:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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JSmith - 05 April 2017 11:41 AM

youtubecom/watch?v=2GHlnjrZLUo   This is a two sided debate by reasonably well established scientists who have no conflicts of interest known.

Skeptical inquirers like to hear the best of both sides of a point of interest.
Skeptical inquirers do not need to call names, close their ears or bombard with an activist shout down technique to interrupt inquiry.

JS, can you explain why you would go to the right wing advocacy group H.I. that’s famed for it’s dirty tricks and misrepresenting climate science, when looking for a serious debate on climate science ??

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Posted: 07 April 2017 04:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Do you know Roy Spence entertains the idea that Earth was created 6,000 years ago, now if that isn’t a conflict of interest for a rational scientist to juggle,
I don’t know what is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)
In the book The Evolution Crisis, Spencer wrote, “I finally became convinced that the theory of creation actually had a much better scientific basis than the theory of evolution, for the creation model was actually better able to explain the physical and biological complexity in the world. [...] Science has startled us with its many discoveries and advances, but it has hit a brick wall in its attempt to rid itself of the need for a creator and designer.”[44]

https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Roy_Spencer.htm
Climate Misinformer: Roy Spencer

Dr. Roy Spencer is a principal research scientist for the University of Alabama in Huntsville, as well as the U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA’s Aqua satellite.  He is known for his work with the satellite-based temperature monitoring for which he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal [Wikipedia].

Dr. Spencer suggests that global warming is mostly due to natural internal variability, and that the climate system is quite insensitive to humanity’s greenhouse gas emissions.

Other professional affiliations: Dr. Spencer is on the board of directors of the George C. Marshall Institute, a right-wing conservative think tank on scientific issues and public policy.  He listed as an expert for the Heartland Institute, a libertarian American public policy think tank.  Dr. Spencer is also listed as an expert by the International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project (ICECAP), a global warming “skeptic” organization [DeSmogBlog].

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Posted: 07 April 2017 04:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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JSmith - 05 April 2017 11:41 AM

This post is for those who wish to ignore political implications and pursue human understandings.

Then why do you go to Heartland Institute for your information they are only about the politics - they connive and misrepresent the serious science anyway they need to in order to make their political arguments.

https://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute

Trump Kingmakers Rebekah and Robert Mercer Attended Heartland Institute’s Climate Science Denial Conference
By Graham Readfearn • Monday, March 27, 2017
https://www.desmogblog.com/2017/03/27/trump-kingmakers-rebekah-and-robert-mercer-heartland-institute-s-climate-science-denial-conference

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute

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Posted: 09 April 2017 08:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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JSmith - 05 April 2017 11:41 AM

But for those who are actually interested.

Another one not actually interested in understanding climate science.
While they’re circling jerking each other, this is going on.

Parts of the Arctic Ocean are Turning Into the Atlantic
By Brian Kahn
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-ocean-atlantic-climate-change-21318

The Arctic is undergoing an astonishingly rapid transition as climate change overwhelms the region.

New research sheds light on the latest example of the changes afoot, showing that parts of the Arctic Ocean are becoming more like the Atlantic. Warm waters are streaming into the ocean north of Scandinavia and Russia, altering ocean productivity and chemistry. That’s making sea ice recede and kickstarting a feedback loop that could make summer ice a thing of the past. ...

... Those changes will have impacts on the people, plants and animals that call the Arctic home. They could also create more geopolitical tension as resources previously locked under ice become available and shipping lanes open up.

In the east Arctic Ocean, the shift is manifesting itself in changing the layers of the ocean. There’s a cap of cold, less salty water that covers the eastern portion of the Arctic Ocean. Underneath it sits a pool of warm, salty Atlantic water that until recently hasn’t been able to find a way to surface. That stratification of layers has kept ice relatively safe from its warm grip.

The ocean has become gradually less stratified since the 1970s. Using data from buoys and satellites, Polyakov and his colleagues have found a more marked shift over the past decade and a half. Since 2002, the difference in water temperatures between the layers has dropped by about 2°F.

In winter from 2013-2015, the cap separating the deep water and surface water disappeared completely in some locations, allowing the warm Atlantic waters to reach the surface and cut further into sea ice pack. At the same time, warm air has further reduced sea ice, which is allowing still more mixing of the ocean layers. ...

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Posted: 18 April 2017 09:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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JSmith - 05 April 2017 11:41 AM

But for those who are actually interested, I’ll update this post from time to time with other good climate debates and not just one sided bombardments.

Yeah JS, like what?

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Posted: 19 April 2017 10:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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JSmith - 05 April 2017 11:41 AM

But for those who are actually interested, I’ll update this post from time to time with other good climate debates and not just one sided bombardments.

Yeah JS, like what?

Spence and others like him are trying to find a way to support the idea that human activity is not responsible for climate change. That way they can argue against every program suggested to lessen its effects and pure capitalism will reign. Just wait and see.

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Posted: 19 April 2017 02:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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I see JSmith has started yet another thread then abandoned it after the discussion has started. This one is especially bad because he linked to a Heartland Institute video.

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Posted: 19 April 2017 07:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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DarronS - 19 April 2017 02:14 PM

I see JSmith has started yet another thread then abandoned it after the discussion has started. This one is especially bad because he linked to a Heartland Institute video.

Comes with the territory.

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