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Posted: 18 December 2017 06:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Often times, the studies they conduct to approve a medication are not much of studies. They don’t always pick samples of enough ethnic/age groups to test them on, they don’t always do long term effect analysis, etc. I read that once the medication is approved they get an automatic one billion dollar in the bank (probably went Up by now), plus the patent. So that motivate them to rush through a study that should NOT be rushed, as well as suppress any adverse effects. etc.

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Posted: 03 January 2018 06:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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InBetween - 18 December 2017 06:11 PM

Often times, the studies they conduct to approve a medication are not much of studies. They don’t always pick samples of enough ethnic/age groups to test them on, they don’t always do long term effect analysis, etc. I read that once the medication is approved they get an automatic one billion dollar in the bank (probably went Up by now), plus the patent. So that motivate them to rush through a study that should NOT be rushed, as well as suppress any adverse effects. etc.

InBetween… apparently it refers to the empty space between his ears.

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Posted: 03 January 2018 09:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Write4U - 17 July 2017 10:20 PM

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All they have to do is prove their remedies work under laboratory conditions. If they can’t do that the remedy does not deserve to be considered legitimate medicine. Period. End of discussion.

Not end of discussion.

If the government forbids laboratory testing, it cannot be considered medicine? Note I left out the word “legitimate”, because that is meaningless except for patent and taxation purposes.

And what does “under laboratory conditions” mean anyway?  Is nature not the greatest laboratory which can test medicinal or poisonous properties over millennia?  Did a laboratory come up with the terms “Deadly Nightshade”, “Bushman’s Poison”,
“Bishop’s weed”?

Who labeled these poisonous plants? Laboratories?  Are the Chinese people stupid? They still use lots of medicinal herbs. Are African bushmen stupid. They have no laboratories or fancy Latin names for beneficial or harmful chemicals contained in plants, barks, roots, seeds, flowers. But they know what not to eat!  And that is sufficient in itself.

Should the early Egyptians not have used Garlic to ward of “bad spirits”. They knew it was “good medicine”.
In fact, the earliest recorded labor strike was over a cut-back of garlic rations during the period of Pyramid building.

In the US, Garlic was once classified as a legitimate medicine. But you can grow it yourself, so there were no taxes to be gained.

I make no claim that all the reputed medicinal properties of Garlic are true, but thousands of years of use for its beneficial properties cannot be denied.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3249897/


Please explain when the government has ever forbidden laboratory testing. How would that work?

Since you asked, laboratory testing is defined by the majority of established scientists. It’s objective testing, which is agreed upon by most legitimate scientists in the world.

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Posted: 06 January 2018 07:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Guys the answer in regard to herbalism’s effectiveness is simple. It depends on the herb in question. You can’t say that no plants have any medical effect 100% of the time. Granted 90% of some herbs effects are either false or greatly exaggerated by money hungry supplement salesmen in order to sell pills at expensive health stores. Some herbs can have some effect on certain symptoms like how Yarrow can be used as a styptic. And their are a handful of studies that show that St. Johns Wart might be moderately more effective then a placebo, slightly less or as effective as conventional anti depressants. Foxglove which we now know effects the heart was used to treat heart conditions for thousands of years, coincidence? Many useful medicines like aspirin have origins in the phytochemistry of plants.

Lumping all medicinal herbs as 100% quackery on the par with faith healing and new age crystal magic mumbo jumbo is foolish. We should study them more in depth to see what useful properties they might have for advancing pharmacology smile

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Posted: 08 January 2018 03:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Rhea70 - 06 January 2018 07:45 PM

Guys the answer in regard to herbalism’s effectiveness is simple. It depends on the herb in question. You can’t say that no plants have any medical effect 100% of the time. Granted 90% of some herbs effects are either false or greatly exaggerated by money hungry supplement salesmen in order to sell pills at expensive health stores. Some herbs can have some effect on certain symptoms like how Yarrow can be used as a styptic. And their are a handful of studies that show that St. Johns Wart might be moderately more effective then a placebo, slightly less or as effective as conventional anti depressants. Foxglove which we now know effects the heart was used to treat heart conditions for thousands of years, coincidence? Many useful medicines like aspirin have origins in the phytochemistry of plants.

Lumping all medicinal herbs as 100% quackery on the par with faith healing and new age crystal magic mumbo jumbo is foolish. We should study them more in depth to see what useful properties they might have for advancing pharmacology smile

I give that a “like”

In fact, some 70% of all medicine was originally derived from natural sources, such as plants and venom, to name a few.

The one (double eded sword) of modern medicine is that it can be made in concentrated forms. However, that also produces a danger of overdosing as is clearly stated in the literature accompanying modern medicine in the section;possible side effects..

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Posted: 08 January 2018 06:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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InBetween - 18 December 2017 06:11 PM

Often times, the studies they conduct to approve a medication are not much of studies. They don’t always pick samples of enough ethnic/age groups to test them on, they don’t always do long term effect analysis, etc. I read that once the medication is approved they get an automatic one billion dollar in the bank (probably went Up by now), plus the patent. So that motivate them to rush through a study that should NOT be rushed, as well as suppress any adverse effects. etc.

InBetween… apparently it refers to the empty space between his ears.

you’re very desperate ignorant little troll, aren’t ya?
if you weren’t, you’d do a minimum research and find out that everything I said upstairs is TRUE.  But you can’t do that, so all I have to say to you is get back to your pot smoking. BTW, it’s legal in your state Now.. that must make you very happy, mustn’t it?  cool smirk

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Posted: 08 January 2018 06:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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InBetween - 18 December 2017 06:11 PM

Often times, the studies they conduct to approve a medication are not much of studies. They don’t always pick samples of enough ethnic/age groups to test them on, they don’t always do long term effect analysis, etc. I read that once the medication is approved they get an automatic one billion dollar in the bank (probably went Up by now), plus the patent. So that motivate them to rush through a study that should NOT be rushed, as well as suppress any adverse effects. etc.

InBetween… apparently it refers to the empty space between his ears.

you’re very desperate ignorant little troll, aren’t ya?
if you weren’t, you’d do a minimum research and find out that everything I said upstairs is TRUE.  But you can’t do that, so all I have to say to you is get back to your pot smoking. BTW, it’s legal in your state Now.. that must make you very happy, mustn’t it?  cool smirk

Smoking marijuana does not make you ignorant, on the contrary, it makes you able to detect ignorance or stubborn willfulness.
If you have never used it yourself, you cannot speak “knowledgeably” on the subject.

If you feel a connectedness with the universe now, you’d be wallowing in the spiritual world, if you took just a single THC candy.  Obviously, you love music, but a small stimulation from THC will allow you to merge with the music at a much deeper level. THC works completely different than opioids.  There is no “reefer madness”, that was a blatant PR stunt.

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Posted: 08 January 2018 08:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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InBetween - 08 January 2018 06:45 PM
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InBetween - 18 December 2017 06:11 PM

Often times, the studies they conduct to approve a medication are not much of studies. They don’t always pick samples of enough ethnic/age groups to test them on, they don’t always do long term effect analysis, etc. I read that once the medication is approved they get an automatic one billion dollar in the bank (probably went Up by now), plus the patent. So that motivate them to rush through a study that should NOT be rushed, as well as suppress any adverse effects. etc.

InBetween… apparently it refers to the empty space between his ears.

you’re very desperate ignorant little troll, aren’t ya?
if you weren’t, you’d do a minimum research and find out that everything I said upstairs is TRUE.  But you can’t do that, so all I have to say to you is get back to your pot smoking. BTW, it’s legal in your state Now.. that must make you very happy, mustn’t it?  cool smirk

Your right inbetween. I have nothing against modern medicine or anything but all they need to prove that a drug works better then a placebo. And that the person will not explode a few hours after eating it. The true mechanism is not even known for some drugs! lol Even modern medicine still needs some work lol. Just remember its a business and they want to turn out product more then anything else. Why do you think they spend big bucks on Viagra research but not new antibiotics to kill multiple antibiotic resistant bacteria? Cause antibiotics are not profitable; in fact development for such antibiotics are a huge flaming money pit, but penis pills are profitable, very very profitable.  Maybe they will invest in it once we get a new Black Death in America. I rest my case

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Posted: 09 January 2018 03:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Write4U - 08 January 2018 06:55 PM


Smoking marijuana does not make you ignorant, on the contrary, it makes you able to detect ignorance or stubborn willfulness.

Not in the above specimen, it does not. IN fact if anything, based on the evidence it makes one ignorant, “stubborn” and the rest…I mean just look at this guy. Amazing LOL.

If you have never used it yourself, you cannot speak “knowledgeably” on the subject.

I prefer to be clear headed. I was married to a guy who was unable to function due to his enamoring with his pot. I was forced to let him go. He was a pile of dung BECAUSE OF THAT. He was very motivated to quit it, he’d try, then while trying he will hit the gas with drinking, and his pot head friends would come to the house, and start doing that garbage in front of him, knowing that he was trying to quit, to tempt him. So this is the type of garbage that makes one into. His friends were such vile maggots. And PRESUMABLY they aaaaaaaall had a college education. They must have majored in smoking pot and doing mashrooms and lsd. Since they all did that along with that. Thanks but no thanks.

If you feel a connectedness with the universe now, you’d be wallowing in the spiritual world, if you took just a single THC candy.  Obviously, you love music, but a small stimulation from THC will allow you to merge with the music at a much deeper level. THC works completely different than opioids.  There is no “reefer madness”, that was a blatant PR stunt.

When I saw Jesus I was clear headed. I didn’t tell you one time I was pissed off going down the street. Around 9 in the morning. I was mentally yelling at him for screwing me over. No more family, no nothing. He took it all. It was a gray day and I was looking down while walking. Suddenly I felt compelled to look up the sky. And guess what I SAW, what was there? A pair of giant, oversize, marvelous looking, Light-Eyes, that stretched ACROSS THE SKY!!!! ....gazing down at me from above, and looking at me with such an Affection and Tenderness!!! the mental yelling, on a dime, turned into loving. All I was able to repeatedly say from then on is “I love you, I love you,...”, while frozen and staring at the sight. And an unimaginable Peace came upon me and stayed with me all day. All that burning fire that was killing me inside has been instantaneously expelled. Once I calmed down the eyes disappeared. Needless to say that I couldn’t stop re-running the experience in my head for I don’t known how long. Days… He didn’t need me to get stoned for him to show up and give me such gift. He just showed up because he Knew I needed him to do so. Of course I don’t control that. You guys could go to Alabama whenever you feel like it. LMAO. I can’t. And I am fine with that. This is what makes our experiences different from one another. I felt like a baby that started to scream in its cradle. The Father came, sung to it, swung the cradle back and forth til the baby went back to sleep, and the Father left!!! It was Unbelievable.

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continuation of the post:

...What I respect though is Native Americans and their traditions which include smoking different herbs. I am not going to tell them you shouldn’t do that when they’ve done it for centuries. My ex was all American white boy. So this does not apply to him.
I never heard about “reefer madness”.
I got to admit, you have a very sophisticated taste in music. And I envy you for being able to play bass. The closest I came to learning is almost buying a full electronic drum set when I was into a metal band. The landlord used to illegally come into my apt when I was at work. so I did not and I just moved out of there.

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Posted: 10 January 2018 08:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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continuation of the post:

...What I respect though is Native Americans and their traditions which include smoking different herbs. I am not going to tell them you shouldn’t do that when they’ve done it for centuries. My ex was all American white boy. So this does not apply to him.
I never heard about “reefer madness”.
I got to admit, you have a very sophisticated taste in music. And I envy you for being able to play bass. The closest I came to learning is almost buying a full electronic drum set when I was into a metal band. The landlord used to illegally come into my apt when I was at work. so I did not and I just moved out of there.

“Reefer Madness” was a propaganca film, which became a cult film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQlcMHhF3w

Your choice of drums indicates a mathematical mindset.  Good drumers can also incorporate melodic lines in their rhythmical progression. Especially in small groups, the ability to anticipate what the other musicians have in mind, when they develop a free form emotional musical story, told in harmonic combination and in a spirit of harmonic.
When that happens it’s magical.
Listen to this little clip of Mongolian Throatsinging (while visualizing the vast space of Mongolia).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zZainT9v6Q

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Posted: 10 January 2018 09:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Smoking marijuana does not make you ignorant, on the contrary, it makes you able to detect ignorance or stubborn willfulness.

Not in the above specimen, it does not. IN fact if anything, based on the evidence it makes one ignorant, “stubborn” and the rest…I mean just look at this guy. Amazing LOL.

If you have never used it yourself, you cannot speak “knowledgeably” on the subject.

I prefer to be clear headed. I was married to a guy who was unable to function due to his enamoring with his pot. I was forced to let him go. He was a pile of dung BECAUSE OF THAT. He was very motivated to quit it, he’d try, then while trying he will hit the gas with drinking, and his pot head friends would come to the house, and start doing that garbage in front of him, knowing that he was trying to quit, to tempt him. So this is the type of garbage that makes one into. His friends were such vile maggots. And PRESUMABLY they aaaaaaaall had a college education. They must have majored in smoking pot and doing mashrooms and lsd. Since they all did that along with that. Thanks but no thanks.

If you feel a connectedness with the universe now, you’d be wallowing in the spiritual world, if you took just a single THC candy.  Obviously, you love music, but a small stimulation from THC will allow you to merge with the music at a much deeper level. THC works completely different than opioids.  There is no “reefer madness”, that was a blatant PR stunt.

When I saw Jesus I was clear headed. I didn’t tell you one time I was pissed off going down the street. Around 9 in the morning. I was mentally yelling at him for screwing me over. No more family, no nothing. He took it all. It was a gray day and I was looking down while walking. Suddenly I felt compelled to look up the sky. And guess what I SAW, what was there? A pair of giant, oversize, marvelous looking, Light-Eyes, that stretched ACROSS THE SKY!!!! ....gazing down at me from above, and looking at me with such an Affection and Tenderness!!! the mental yelling, on a dime, turned into loving. All I was able to repeatedly say from then on is “I love you, I love you,...”, while frozen and staring at the sight. And an unimaginable Peace came upon me and stayed with me all day. All that burning fire that was killing me inside has been instantaneously expelled. Once I calmed down the eyes disappeared. Needless to say that I couldn’t stop re-running the experience in my head for I don’t known how long. Days… He didn’t need me to get stoned for him to show up and give me such gift. He just showed up because he Knew I needed him to do so. Of course I don’t control that. You guys could go to Alabama whenever you feel like it. LMAO. I can’t. And I am fine with that. This is what makes our experiences different from one another. I felt like a baby that started to scream in its cradle. The Father came, sung to it, swung the cradle back and forth til the baby went back to sleep, and the Father left!!! It was Unbelievable.

Anone who claims to “see” Jesus is anything but clear-headed. They’re delusional.

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Posted: 16 January 2018 04:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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Write4U - 10 January 2018 08:17 PM

“Reefer Madness” was a propaganca film, which became a cult film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQlcMHhF3w

Thank you.

Your choice of drums indicates a mathematical mindset.

I was told music helps develop math abilities, but, specifically the drums? Not sure. And I am music fan for sure. I love the drums I always been nuts about them.


Good drumers can also incorporate melodic lines in their rhythmical progression. Especially in small groups, the ability to anticipate what the other musicians have in mind, when they develop a free form emotional musical story, told in harmonic combination and in a spirit of harmonic.
When that happens it’s magical.

I love percussions, and it’s true I am able to intuitively feel and follow a song without really knowing it b4 hand.  All of music is kind of magical regardless.

Listen to this little clip of Mongolian Throatsinging (while visualizing the vast space of Mongolia).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zZainT9v6Q

I forgot to do what you suggested as far as the visualizing. But I LOVE this Guy!!!!! AMAZING. His vocals become like a tunnel one walks through. Absolutely remarkable. I’d be curious to have him regressed to just find out what his soul history is. Oh My Gawwd. Thank you so much.
I can astro trip to china using one of this guy’s albums. Myyy. Thank you so much. I subscribed to his channel. Yeah, I think I am getting an album. Thank you so much.

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Posted: 16 January 2018 04:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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LoisL - 10 January 2018 09:54 PM


Anone who claims to “see” Jesus is anything but clear-headed. They’re delusional.

LL

And someone who thinks they know what they are talking about, precisely knowing a zip about a field they don’t even think exist are schizoOphrenic at best. It’s like a blind person claiming the blue color is all in our head: those who CAn SEE the blue color for what it is.
I, at the very least, when I don’t comprehend something, I just leave it alone. I don’t jump at people throats and be stupid.

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Write4U - 10 January 2018 08:17 PM

“Reefer Madness” was a propaganca film, which became a cult film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQlcMHhF3w

Thank you.

Your choice of drums indicates a mathematical mindset.

I was told music helps develop math abilities, but, specifically the drums? Not sure. And I am music fan for sure. I love the drums I always been nuts about them.

IMO, rhythm is a mathematical function.

Good drumers can also incorporate melodic lines in their rhythmical progression. Especially in small groups, the ability to anticipate what the other musicians have in mind, when they develop a free form emotional musical story, told in harmonic combination and in a spirit of harmonic.
When that happens it’s magical.

I love percussions, and it’s true I am able to intuitively feel and follow a song without really knowing it b4 hand.  All of music is kind of magical regardless.

Listen to this little clip of Mongolian Throatsinging (while visualizing the vast space of Mongolia).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zZainT9v6Q

I forgot to do what you suggested as far as the visualizing. But I LOVE this Guy!!!!! AMAZING. His vocals become like a tunnel one walks through. Absolutely remarkable. I’d be curious to have him regressed to just find out what his soul history is. Oh My Gawwd. Thank you so much.
I can astro trip to china using one of this guy’s albums. Myyy. Thank you so much. I subscribed to his channel. Yeah, I think I am getting an album. Thank you so much.

In case you missed this,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkrsdjJB2s

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