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How does ad hominem work?
Posted: 28 April 2017 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Titanomachina - 27 April 2017 03:37 PM

And if he is right about one things than what about other things he said.

Titanomachina - 27 April 2017 08:01 PM

I’m just terrified about admitting that a psychopath might have a point about a few things. Makes me think I have to radically change my life in the name of freedom.

That is a ‘reverse ad hominem’: because he says at least one true sentence, everything he says is true.

But then there is the matter of how do I know what is true that he says. Then that goes on to whether or not he is right about our society, whether we are our own prisons, whether or not we made him into what he is (he claims to be a reflection of us). It then flows to whether or not we lock those people away to not acknowledge that part of humanity is in us too. At least that what goes on in my mind. None of that would have happened before when I just wrote him off for being crazy.

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Posted: 28 April 2017 02:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Titanomachina - 28 April 2017 12:29 PM

But then there is the matter of how do I know what is true that he says. Then that goes on to whether or not he is right about our society, whether we are our own prisons, whether or not we made him into what he is (he claims to be a reflection of us). It then flows to whether or not we lock those people away to not acknowledge that part of humanity is in us too. At least that what goes on in my mind. None of that would have happened before when I just wrote him off for being crazy.

Here’s some unsolicited advice. The guy who is in prison for getting people to kill for him is probably not the guy who has something wise to say. It’s really not that hard. There’s no fallacy. The word “probably” fixes that.

No one in my 28 years of schooling ever told me to go out in the desert and plot to take down society. So I don’t know what “reflection” he’s talking about. And, oh, poor baby, we don’t acknowledge him. He’s only one of the most famous criminals ever. We lock him away to keep him away from people like you.

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Posted: 28 April 2017 02:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Titanomachina - 28 April 2017 12:26 PM
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Lausten - 27 April 2017 06:14 PM

He stole other people’s idea and used them to make other people think he was smart. Those people didn’t know any better, you do.

Yeah I don’t know about all that.
Titan either doesn’t know any better, or he’s just trolling.
I’m tending to lean towards the trolling angle.
Repetitive posts that are circular. It’s almost like he’s trolling for sympathy or something. Yecch!

I’m afraid this isn’t trolling. But I’m just trying to point out the counters people might make. Originally I would have just dismissed him out of simply being crazy, but since reading about philosophy I learned that I cannot do that anymore. So apparently I have to give him equal weight like any other.

No philosophy ever said you have to give Charles Manson equal weight to anybody.

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Posted: 28 April 2017 11:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Lausten - 28 April 2017 02:02 PM
Titanomachina - 28 April 2017 12:26 PM
VYAZMA - 28 April 2017 04:28 AM
Lausten - 27 April 2017 06:14 PM

He stole other people’s idea and used them to make other people think he was smart. Those people didn’t know any better, you do.

Yeah I don’t know about all that.
Titan either doesn’t know any better, or he’s just trolling.
I’m tending to lean towards the trolling angle.
Repetitive posts that are circular. It’s almost like he’s trolling for sympathy or something. Yecch!

I’m afraid this isn’t trolling. But I’m just trying to point out the counters people might make. Originally I would have just dismissed him out of simply being crazy, but since reading about philosophy I learned that I cannot do that anymore. So apparently I have to give him equal weight like any other.

No philosophy ever said you have to give Charles Manson equal weight to anybody.

That’s what it was like when I went to college. They said you can’t just dismiss someone for being crazy, at least the few courses of philosophy said that. While no philosophy said that explicitly the rules for arguing said that I cannot do that. Believe me I want to, I don’t want to give that madman any credit it all, but it would be a fallacy to simply write him off.

Not to mention any time someone refers to the words freedom, prison, or slavery, is a powerful thing. Most people grow up obsessed with freedom and wish it more than anything. To think that a psychopath in jail is more free than I am is a bit of a head spin, almost enough to wonder if you’re doing anything wrong with your life? If anyone wants to be listened to, just mention freedom and slavery. Powerful words with emotion behind them. No one wants to be a slave or a prisoner. I tend to be obsessed with freedom, which is ironic really.

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Posted: 29 April 2017 05:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Writing someone off for a single reason is not the same thing as giving them equal weight.

If you want attention, why don’t you do something like feed homeless people. People will love you for that.

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Posted: 29 April 2017 05:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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In not looking for attention but for a way to resolve an issue like in the previous post, #19.

Though it could be worse, I can miss the mark entirely like this: https://www.ideapod.com/idea/The-Final-Lesson-of-Truth-from-Seer-Friedrich-Nietzsche/569eba60474f142412877be6

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Posted: 06 May 2017 05:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Someone would also counter that morality is relative and try to use that to excuse what he did.

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