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If atheism is true
Posted: 05 May 2017 08:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Adonai888 - 26 April 2017 07:22 PM

rationality comes from non-rational processes

And the irrationality of theists comes from where?

There are so many different kinds of theists some of them must be irrational.  LOL

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Posted: 05 May 2017 11:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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webplodder - 04 May 2017 02:47 AM

Atheism is all very well but it does not provide any framework for existence.

Science is only able to explain things within limited parameters so science isn’t a substitute paradigm with which to explain the ‘big picture.’

Actually, science itself is a belief-system because it does not purport to provide any ultimate answers to existence and may simply be providing convenient answers that are actually due to a more hidden foundation.

I think it is belief systems that purport to provide ultimate answers. Science would honestly say it doesn’t know.

Yes, so science is honest about being inadequate, is what you are really saying.

Belief in some ultimate power is the only solution to pursuing an answer to everything. Anything else just fails.

By that reasoning, believing in the FSM would be acceptable as representing the “Big Picture”. 
What does the Big Picture look like that it gives ife meaning, other than just having emerged.

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Posted: 17 May 2017 06:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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webplodder - 04 May 2017 10:36 AM

Belief in some ultimate power is the only solution to pursuing an answer to everything. Anything else just fails.


“Belief in some ultimate power is the only solution to pursuing an answer to everything.”  Seems unlikely, considering lack of evidence.  I suppose the ultimate power explains the ultimate power, or is it not included in “everything”?

“Anything else just fails.”  Thats just a simple argument from ignorance.

Do you think of “everything” like infinity, and explaining it is just weird, like counting to infinity?  Or by “everything” do you just mean the list from the original post?  Something else?

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Posted: 18 May 2017 01:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Adonai888 - 26 April 2017 07:22 PM

If atheism is true

Atheism IS true. You just don’t know what it means for atheism to be true. As long as there is one person on earth who does not believe in any god, atheism is true, it exists.

THEN:

There is no THEN. Atheism claims nothing. It is a belief state. It can have no consequences. 

life comes from non-life
rationality comes from non-rational processes
morality from a-moral processes
meaning from non-meaning
values of life from no-values
order from chaos
complexity from simplicity
consciousness from non-consciousness
Codes, complex instructional information, translation, encoding, transmission, and decoding, from random, unguided events
truth from non-existing truth
thoughts from no thoughts
intelligence from non-intelligence
beauty and ugliness, from nothing
personality from matter
love, justice, kindness, evil, from stardust
matter/energy space and time from nothing and no cause
And everything we have done, one day, nobody will remember, and we will be stardust again - who will care ?!!

Makes perfect sense !!

Only if you don’t know what atheism is. Nothing that you’ve listed applies to atheism. Atheism makes no claims and it offers no commands or direction. It is a lack of belief in gods. That’s all it is.

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