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Is Murder Wrong If There Is No God?
Posted: 24 July 2017 12:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 76 ]
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So this is completely arbitrary. You expressed a problem with groups of people changing morality, but you have no problem with the church changing, because RESSURECTION. Okay then

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Posted: 24 July 2017 12:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 77 ]
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Lausten - 24 July 2017 12:33 PM

So this is completely arbitrary. You expressed a problem with groups of people changing morality, but you have no problem with the church changing, because RESSURECTION. Okay then

In every cartoon Wiley Coyote is always killed, but hey, in the next cartoon he is back alive and well. Must be Resurrection.

In fact it has a moral message, that even if Wiley Coyote is the “bad guy”, always trying to catch the Road Runner, it shows that resurrection is not a result of living a moral life.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 01:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 78 ]
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Lausten - 24 July 2017 12:33 PM

So this is completely arbitrary.

No.

Lausten - 24 July 2017 12:33 PM

You expressed a problem with groups of people changing morality, but you have no problem with the church changing, because RESSURECTION.

I don’t accept any moral authority that is not God Himself, because nobody else is in a position to be judging what is and what is not moral.  Even wrt murder.

Plus, show where the Church ever taught that murder was anything other than gravely immoral?  You can use either the Catholic Church’s own ex cathedra official teachings on the matter, or right from the Christian Bible if you’d prefer.  I’ll wait.

Lausten - 24 July 2017 12:33 PM

Okay then

Indeed.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 02:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 79 ]
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Nihilo - 24 July 2017 01:15 PM

Plus, show where the Church ever taught that murder was anything other than gravely immoral? 

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Posted: 24 July 2017 07:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 80 ]
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Lausten - 24 July 2017 02:25 PM
Nihilo - 24 July 2017 01:15 PM

Plus, show where the Church ever taught that murder was anything other than gravely immoral? 

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Oh.  Well all right then.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 07:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 81 ]
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Write4U - 24 July 2017 12:48 PM
Lausten - 24 July 2017 12:33 PM

So this is completely arbitrary. You expressed a problem with groups of people changing morality, but you have no problem with the church changing, because RESSURECTION. Okay then

In every cartoon Wiley Coyote is always killed, but hey, in the next cartoon he is back alive and well. Must be Resurrection.

‘T’s always terrific when someone just openly mocks your religion, let me tell you.

Write4U - 24 July 2017 12:48 PM

In fact it has a moral message, that even if Wiley Coyote is the “bad guy”, always trying to catch the Road Runner, it shows that resurrection is not a result of living a moral life.

Resurrection is not a result of living a moral life, just of living a human life.  We’ll all rise again, and we’ll rise not with these old, stinky bodies, but with new human bodies.  We don’t know much about them, but we’ll look different enough that close friends and family will need a moment or two with us before they recognize who we are.  And, apparently we’ll be able to fly, because those of us who believe in the RESURRECTION will meet the Returned Lord Jesus in the air, as He descends from clouds.  Those who are still alive will be changed, and those who’ve died will rise from the dead.  That’s the scene.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 07:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 82 ]
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Nihilo - 24 July 2017 07:04 PM
Write4U - 24 July 2017 12:48 PM
Lausten - 24 July 2017 12:33 PM

So this is completely arbitrary. You expressed a problem with groups of people changing morality, but you have no problem with the church changing, because RESSURECTION. Okay then

In every cartoon Wiley Coyote is always killed, but hey, in the next cartoon he is back alive and well. Must be Resurrection.

‘T’s always terrific when someone just openly mocks your religion, let me tell you.

Probably about as awesome as being told you are going to burn in hell for eternity.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 07:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 83 ]
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Lausten - 24 July 2017 07:36 PM

Probably about as awesome as being told you are going to burn in hell for eternity.

Burned me there.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 07:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 84 ]
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‘Course, when did I say you’re going to burn for eternity?

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Posted: 24 July 2017 08:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 85 ]
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Lausten - 24 July 2017 07:36 PM
Nihilo - 24 July 2017 07:04 PM
Write4U - 24 July 2017 12:48 PM
Lausten - 24 July 2017 12:33 PM

So this is completely arbitrary. You expressed a problem with groups of people changing morality, but you have no problem with the church changing, because RESSURECTION. Okay then

In every cartoon Wiley Coyote is always killed, but hey, in the next cartoon he is back alive and well. Must be Resurrection.

‘T’s always terrific when someone just openly mocks your religion, let me tell you.

Probably about as awesome as being told you are going to burn in hell for eternity.

Yes, such as my wife experienced when she was told by a really devout Christian in front of about ten people that she was the Anti-Christ, because she is a Democrat.

You have to stand in awe of such hypocrisy and hubris.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 08:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 86 ]
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Write4U - 24 July 2017 08:00 PM

Yes, such as my wife experienced when she was told by a really devout Christian in front of about ten people that she was the Anti-Christ, because she is a Democrat.

You have to stand in awe of such hypocrisy and hubris.

Yes, that was me.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 11:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 87 ]
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Nihilo - 24 July 2017 12:13 PM

Because I believe in the RESURRECTION,

Wow that sounds really cool. I’ve been having less and less urrections as I’ve grown older. A resurrection sounds like something my wife and I could look forward to and it wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg for Cialis. I bet it’s OK if it lasts longer than 4 hours too.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 11:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 88 ]
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Nihilo - 24 July 2017 12:13 PM

Because I believe in the RESURRECTION,

Wow that sounds really cool. I’ve been having less and less urrections as I’ve grown older. A resurrection sounds like something my wife and I could look forward to and it wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg for Cialis. I bet it’s OK if it lasts longer than 4 hours too.

Yeah I watched South Park too.

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Posted: 24 July 2017 11:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 89 ]
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Nihilo - 24 July 2017 12:13 PM

Because I believe in the RESURRECTION,

Wow that sounds really cool. I’ve been having less and less urrections as I’ve grown older. A resurrection sounds like something my wife and I could look forward to and it wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg for Cialis. I bet it’s OK if it lasts longer than 4 hours too.

But that would be called RESURGENCE, no?.... tongue wink

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Posted: 25 July 2017 12:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 90 ]
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Advocatus - 21 July 2017 09:41 AM

Ah, a nihilist!  While it’s true that morality is a made up concept, I don’t think it’s a question of moral relativism.  That would imply that morals are completely random.  Society does by and large come to a certain consensus about what is moral behavior and what isn’t.

I’m a Christian, not a nihilist.

I am unaware that moral relativism implies randomness.

Society coming to consensus about morals is moral relativism.  At least, that’s what I meant by moral relativism.  If that’s improper definition, mea culpa.

I beg your pardon.  I wasn’t trying to put you in a category, I was just trying to figure out why you decided to chose that particular screen name.

Okay, we’re on the same page as far as society’s consensus on what morality means.  To me, “moral relativism” means something a little different.  If, for example, a group of people in the next town decided that slavery was okay and that murder was okay, then we would be have no cause to say that they were wrong.  Their consensus is just their consensus, just as morally right as ours is.  In other words, morality is relative.  But that’s not true. Once we decide upon a consensus, it becomes the standard by which we judge all such cultures, not just our own.

I believe I have found the answer to your original question about the nihilist implication.

Resurrection is the concept of coming back to life after death. In a number of ancient religions, a dying-and-rising god is a deity which dies and resurrects. The death and resurrection of Jesus, an example of resurrection, is the central focus of Christianity.

As a religious concept, it is used in two distinct respects: a belief in the resurrection of individual souls that is current and ongoing (Christian idealism, realized eschatology), or else a belief in a singular resurrection of the dead at the end of the world. The resurrection of the dead is a standard eschatological belief in the Abrahamic religions.

The Rapture?

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