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Are we headed for another Dark Age?
Posted: 31 May 2017 06:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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LoisL - 28 May 2017 08:35 AM
Beltane - 24 May 2017 08:24 PM

Forgot to add this basic rule:

Dumb people have dumb kids

Average people have average kids

High IQ people don’t have kids

Not true. Most geniuses have kids and most are not geniuses. True genius is a rare anomaly and is just as likely
to appear in families if average intelligence as in families if high IQs. In addition, high IQ is a matter of opinion, easily manipulated. Most people who claim to have high IQs don’t. They are quite average but tend to be supercilious.

Have you ever heard iof regression toward the mean?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean

Not only that, IQ is subjective- for example, one can take an IQ test in France, move to the States or Great Britain or wherever, learn the language well, yet score lower on an IQ test in that country.  At the same time, one can have a good night’s sleep, eat a good breakfast, etc and score very well on an IQ test, but come in to take the test another day, not sleep well, skip breakfast and score lower.  That said, parents can have an above average IQ and have a gifted child, while the other child, not be gifted, but average IQ, yet score exceptionally high or even gifted in physical abilities or artistic ability- which is another form of intelligence (forgot the name of the psychologist who came up with these forms of IQ).

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Posted: 31 May 2017 06:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Re: survival - The less intelligent are tougher, more sexual, more fertile, they have a lot more offspring than the high IQ. Scientists aren’t sure why.

This quote from Beltane cracked me up. Who says, “scientists aren’t sure why”? By what authority? How did you determine this? What do you mean? Why ask the question, what is it they have studied or not studied? I literally put these words into google and got more informed on this topic in 5 minutes than I have during this entire thread. An inquiry forum is much more fun if people are inquiring about things, then reporting to the rest of us what they found and then open up discussion.

http://www.psypost.org/2015/06/the-less-intelligent-are-more-fertile-so-why-arent-humans-becoming-dumber-over-time-35026

http://www.livescience.com/8779-fertile-women-manly-men.html

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http://naturalsociety.com/leading-geneticist-human-intelligence-slowly-declining/

https://www.hedweb.com/reproductive-revolution/index.html

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Posted: 03 June 2017 06:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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LoisL - 28 May 2017 08:35 AM
Beltane - 24 May 2017 08:24 PM

Forgot to add this basic rule:

Dumb people have dumb kids

Average people have average kids

High IQ people don’t have kids

Not true. Most geniuses have kids and most are not geniuses. True genius is a rare anomaly and is just as likely
to appear in families if average intelligence as in families if high IQs. In addition, high IQ is a matter of opinion, easily manipulated. Most people who claim to have high IQs don’t. They are quite average but tend to be supercilious.

Have you ever heard iof regression toward the mean?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean

Well genius is different from high IQ. Genius means an unusual brilliance or ability, not an all around high functioning cognitive ability, whereas high IQ means the professional class - engineers, doctors, scientists, most lawyers - these are the people needed for a technical society to exist.

High IQ isn’t really a matter of opinion, it can be tested reliably and its evident in those individuals’ life and work. Dumb people can lie about their IQ but no one believes them except maybe for the reallydumb. Average IQ people can lie about their smarts to the less intelligent, but not to the above average IQ crowd.

Lastly, yes I’m familiar with RTTM, but it doesn’t cancel out the cognitive differences in this society.

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Posted: 29 June 2017 07:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Maybe the data are telling us that we need to reevaluate intelligence in our ranking of survival fitness traits. Jared Diamond in Guns Germs and Steel opined that New Guinea natives seemed smarter than his students - although he didn’t administer IQ tests to prove it.
Survival traits also change as ecological niches change. Again, Diamond suggested that “civilized” humans specialize, often into mundane tasks. Both lessen the need for wide-ranging intellectual processes.
There also seems to be a confusion between intelligence and handling information. New information is evolving at a high rate. It takes more time to acquire and process more information,
Not necessarily intelligence.

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Posted: 29 June 2017 08:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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JohnH - 29 June 2017 07:22 AM

Maybe the data are telling us that we need to reevaluate intelligence in our ranking of survival fitness traits. Jared Diamond in Guns Germs and Steel opined that New Guinea natives seemed smarter than his students - although he didn’t administer IQ tests to prove it.

Diamond probably added that just-so hypothesis to the book as a form of politically correct penance.

Survival traits also change as ecological niches change. Again, Diamond suggested that “civilized” humans specialize, often into mundane tasks. Both lessen the need for wide-ranging intellectual processes.
There also seems to be a confusion between intelligence and handling information. New information is evolving at a high rate. It takes more time to acquire and process more information,
Not necessarily intelligence.

Intelligence must play a big part in ability to handle information.

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Posted: 29 June 2017 08:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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PaineMan - 22 May 2017 05:36 AM

The result will be a rise, rather than a fall, in religion.  An age of superstition rather than reason

There are at least two grounds upon this might be challenged.

1) When it comes to ideological assertions about the ultimate nature of reality (the scope of God proposals) there’s really no basis upon which to declare atheism any more rational than theism.  Both theism and atheism rest upon the assumption that we are in a position to come to reasonable theories or conclusions on matters of such ENORMOUS scale, which seems to be a form of fantasy whatever theories or conclusions one might be inclined towards.  Christian theists often pose themselves as the “saved people” while atheist ideologues pose themselves as the “smart people”.  These poses aren’t reason, but rather just ego/social competition agendas built of emotion. 

2) If we are concerned about a coming dark age, that is far more likely to be caused by reason/science than by religion.  This thread explains why:

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/19373/P15/

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Posted: 29 June 2017 11:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Beltane - 29 June 2017 08:31 AM

Intelligence must play a big part in ability to handle information.

A dumb hard disk seems to store and release it very well.

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Posted: 29 June 2017 02:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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JohnH - 29 June 2017 11:50 AM
Beltane - 29 June 2017 08:31 AM

Intelligence must play a big part in ability to handle information.

A dumb hard disk seems to store and release it very well.

lel, that’s right.

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