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Why did people start farming?
Posted: 28 May 2017 08:49 PM   [ Ignore ]
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If it was worse than hunting and gathering?

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Posted: 28 May 2017 09:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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They didn’t have the benefit of hindsight.

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Posted: 28 May 2017 09:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution

I read all the downsides and it doesn’t seem like a good thing at all, or is this just one of those “good and bad” things.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 12:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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It was a necessity in the time and place it began, not something people chose or wanted. That’s how everything starts.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 01:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Titanomachina - 28 May 2017 08:49 PM

If it was worse than hunting and gathering?

Basically, someone discovered (probably by accident) that you could grow food by planting and cultivating certain plants. This meant people did not have to hunt prey as much and would have led to settlements since plants don’t move about like game.

It was a very major development as it led to more specialization since there was more time to do others things other than hunting and gathering, which entailed a nomadic type of existence. You could argue it brought about ‘civilization.’

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Posted: 29 May 2017 06:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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How is it worse? With some fairly simple principles, your food is now right out your back door. Instead of wandering around, hoping you’ll find, you make it and store it. You overcome the drought and famine cycles.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 06:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Farming also led to overpopulation, resource depletion and big agribusiness.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 06:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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DarronS - 29 May 2017 06:49 AM

Farming also led to overpopulation, resource depletion and big agribusiness.

And leads to wars and monument building to keep all those extra hands and mouths busy.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 07:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Lausten - 29 May 2017 06:39 AM

How is it worse? With some fairly simple principles, your food is now right out your back door. Instead of wandering around, hoping you’ll find, you make it and store it. You overcome the drought and famine cycles.

http://discovermagazine.com/1987/may/02-the-worst-mistake-in-the-history-of-the-human-race

Lengthy but also states that it led to gender roles, the rise of religion, social inequality, poorer nutrition and increased risk for diseases.

It’s kind of a bubble burst for me. I always thought farming was an improvement but I guess not. Makes me question progress.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 07:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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And chillingly enough that the unabomber may have had a point about modern life.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 09:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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They ran out of food. They had to do something. They discovered that growing food was better than migrating for an unreliable supply.  Survival of the fittest.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 10:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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LoisL - 29 May 2017 09:49 AM

They ran out of food. They had to do something. They discovered that growing food was better than migrating for an unreliable supply.  Survival of the fittest.

What about all the after effects

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Posted: 29 May 2017 11:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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It’s possible that agriculture began to provide alcohol not bread.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2527074/Did-BEER-create-modern-society-Ancient-man-developed-agriculture-brew-alcohol-not-bake-bread-claims-scientist.html

As for the development of agriculture being a “mistake” we somehow need to correct, it’s what we do with it that is important. Plentiful food supply has allowed the creation of complex societies and the only reason that we have the science and ability to understand such complex issues is due to the development of agriculture.

Remaining hunter-gatherers would be no guarantee of survival of the species either, in that state the human species almost went extinct about 75,000 years ago.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 11:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Titanomachina - 29 May 2017 07:28 AM

And chillingly enough that the unabomber may have had a point about modern life.

You find Ted Kacyznski chilling but think murdering most other humans is perfectly justified…. how truly bizarre.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 12:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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DougC - 29 May 2017 11:12 AM
Titanomachina - 29 May 2017 07:28 AM

And chillingly enough that the unabomber may have had a point about modern life.

You find Ted Kacyznski chilling but think murdering most other humans is perfectly justified…. how truly bizarre.

I never said it was justified but the ideas behind it seem compelling (albeit no violence though).

http://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Unabombers-Pen-Pal/131892/#comments-anchor

In terms of that though I still think it’s the user and not the tool to blame.

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Posted: 29 May 2017 02:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Titanomachina - 29 May 2017 12:43 PM
DougC - 29 May 2017 11:12 AM
Titanomachina - 29 May 2017 07:28 AM

And chillingly enough that the unabomber may have had a point about modern life.

You find Ted Kacyznski chilling but think murdering most other humans is perfectly justified…. how truly bizarre.

I never said it was justified but the ideas behind it seem compelling (albeit no violence though).

http://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Unabombers-Pen-Pal/131892/#comments-anchor

In terms of that though I still think it’s the user and not the tool to blame.

You came up with some bullshit explanation of some fictional group we needed to defend ourselves from who want to “cull” most people. When it was you repeating over and over how it’s a viable policy to follow.

The user and not the tool, what does that even mean?

We’re not separate from the culture that we’re part of and we’re still a part of nature. Everything we do is part of the natural process of evolution, if you choose to see people in the most negative terms possible that’s on you not most people.

When you take a mechanistic approach to people and deal with them in terms shorn completely of human feeling it’s not surprising that you end up with extreme views.

That’s you and people like you, not most people.

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