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Posted: 06 July 2017 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Adamski - 06 July 2017 05:08 AM

Doug. Is America a threat to Russia?

Of course it is, but until the last election it wasn’t run by a dictator.

There’s no question that American politics are screwed up, but they have been far more open and representative than what Russia has ever had.

Which means that Putin is in power for as long as he likes doing pretty much what he pleases. Which now almost certainly includes interfering in the last US election to place someone in office that in all likelihood is compromised by Putin to levels we don’t know. It would be highly unfortunate to find out in the form of our cities lighting up like the surface of the Sun.

To say this changes the strategic balance of power is an understatement. The US government is not controlling the Russian government, we have already seen how Trump fired the director of the FBI one day then the next told the Russian foreign minister that he did it to stop the investigation into his links with Russia while at the same time passing along the highest classified information to the Russians.

The US isn’t set to introduce something like the RS-28 which is clearly a first strike weapon which will likely introduce highly advanced warheads that simply can’t be intercepted.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/objekt-4202.htm

While at the same time having the most advanced strategic missiles defenses on the planet.

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-tests-its-next-generation-anti-aircraft-s-500-missile-589614

Do I really need to state the obvious in how destabilizing it is to have any question of where the US Commander in Chief’s loyalties lie?

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Posted: 06 July 2017 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Doug. You say of course USA is a threat to Russia. I would like to expand on this. Why do you think it is a threat?

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Posted: 06 July 2017 03:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Yes we are a threat to Russia and they are a threat to us.  New weapons or not, currently both of us are capable of ending life as it is know on our planet.  As a threat, that speaks for itself.

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Posted: 06 July 2017 10:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Hi Sr Member. That means anyone holding nuclear weapons is a threat to world peace. There is nothing special to single out Russia in this regard. Right?

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Posted: 07 July 2017 06:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Adamski - 06 July 2017 10:20 PM

There is nothing special to single out Russia in this regard. Right?

Doug is right that there is a fundamental difference between the U.S. and Russian governments.  Trump was elected in a fair election by a minority of stupid Americans.  Putin is the world’s leading mafia gangster.  Big difference.

That said, I don’t think surprise attacks by Russia are too likely.  Putin is a criminal, but he’s a sane one.  We have enough nukes on invisible subs to erase Russia, and bomber wings are in the air 24/7/365.

I worry more about mistakes, which can happen on either side.  Please see video linked in my sig for the history of mistakes.

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Posted: 07 July 2017 02:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Tanny - 07 July 2017 06:25 AM
Adamski - 06 July 2017 10:20 PM

There is nothing special to single out Russia in this regard. Right?

Doug is right that there is a fundamental difference between the U.S. and Russian governments.  Trump was elected in a fair election by a minority of stupid Americans.  Putin is the world’s leading mafia gangster.  Big difference.

That said, I don’t think surprise attacks by Russia are too likely.  Putin is a criminal, but he’s a sane one.  We have enough nukes on invisible subs to erase Russia, and bomber wings are in the air 24/7/365.

I worry more about mistakes, which can happen on either side.  Please see video linked in my sig for the history of mistakes.

Tranny . You don’t make sense. NATO is on Russia’s borders. Not the other way round. USA needs war to keep its military industrial complex ticking over. So who is the mafia gangster in this scenario. Do you want war?

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Posted: 07 July 2017 03:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Adamski - 07 July 2017 02:14 PM

Tranny . You don’t make sense. NATO is on Russia’s borders. Not the other way round. USA needs war to keep its military industrial complex ticking over. So who is the mafia gangster in this scenario. Do you want war?

Welcome to my ignore list.

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Posted: 08 July 2017 06:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Tanny - 07 July 2017 03:54 PM
Adamski - 07 July 2017 02:14 PM

Tranny . You don’t make sense. NATO is on Russia’s borders. Not the other way round. USA needs war to keep its military industrial complex ticking over. So who is the mafia gangster in this scenario. Do you want war?

Welcome to my ignore list.

As in I don’t have a response

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Posted: 08 July 2017 09:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Putin is smart enough to know there’s a dupe in the White House. He is running rings around Trump.

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Posted: 09 July 2017 12:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Adamski - 06 July 2017 02:55 PM

Doug. You say of course USA is a threat to Russia. I would like to expand on this. Why do you think it is a threat?

It has similar capabilities to Russia that are left over from the Cold War, even if they are reduced.

America does have a launch on warning ability to attack Russia, which is countered with exactly the same capability as the Russians.

But as I’ve already pointed out Russia is now amping up the weaponry with the introduction of the largest most sophisticated ICBM ever. One that will be almost impossible to intercept even with the limited amount of missile defenses the US has, about 30 launchers adapted from conventional systems which are intended to defend the nation from limited launches by possible rogue nations.

Russia on the other hand is fielding systems like the S-500 which is a true missiles shield system able to intercept large numbers of warhead at very long ranges. Up to 400 miles at acquisition and 660,000 feet altitude.

Russia is talking about taking out entire states with one missile for a reason, they are making the threat clear. There’s no doubt in my mind that Putin clearly has Trump under his control, their meeting just adds to how compromised Trump is taking Putin’s word over charges of Russian fixing of the US election over all credible sources.

I don’t think that America is trying to destroy Russia, Russia show every sign of wanting to destroy America and we better wake the fuck up and soon.

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Posted: 09 July 2017 12:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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DougC - 09 July 2017 12:34 AM
Adamski - 06 July 2017 02:55 PM

Doug. You say of course USA is a threat to Russia. I would like to expand on this. Why do you think it is a threat?

It has similar capabilities to Russia that are left over from the Cold War, even if they are reduced.

America does have a launch on warning ability to attack Russia, which is countered with exactly the same capability as the Russians.

But as I’ve already pointed out Russia is now amping up the weaponry with the introduction of the largest most sophisticated ICBM ever. One that will be almost impossible to intercept even with the limited amount of missile defenses the US has, about 30 launchers adapted from conventional systems which are intended to defend the nation from limited launches by possible rogue nations.

Russia on the other hand is fielding systems like the S-500 which is a true missiles shield system able to intercept large numbers of warhead at very long ranges. Up to 400 miles at acquisition and 660,000 feet altitude.

Russia is talking about taking out entire states with one missile for a reason, they are making the threat clear. There’s no doubt in my mind that Putin clearly has Trump under his control, their meeting just adds to how compromised Trump is taking Putin’s word over charges of Russian fixing of the US election over all credible sources.

I don’t think that America is trying to destroy Russia, Russia show every sign of wanting to destroy America and we better wake the fuck up and soon.

So USA has similar capabilities but spends more than all other nation put together on the military. Really? Can you show me one where Russia has threatned to take out entire states ???

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Posted: 09 July 2017 04:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Doug, I agree with you that Putin is a dangerous gangster.  And it’s clear that some people don’t get that, so it’s helpful to point it out.

On the other hand, it seems helpful to keep in mind that Russia has been invaded many times from the West.  The last invasion in WWII cost them 20 million dead and most of the western part of the country in bombed out ruins.  To put that in context, Russia lost 40 times as many people in WWII as America did, and the American mainland was untouched.

Point being, the Russian people have had a very different experience than Americans.  This helps explain for instance their reaction to growing Western influence in Ukraine. 

I’m not suggesting this excuses any behavior, but it is something we should probably keep in mind.

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Posted: 09 July 2017 05:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Tanny - 09 July 2017 04:27 AM

Doug, I agree with you that Putin is a dangerous gangster.  And it’s clear that some people don’t get that, so it’s helpful to point it out.

On the other hand, it seems helpful to keep in mind that Russia has been invaded many times from the West.  The last invasion in WWII cost them 20 million dead and most of the western part of the country in bombed out ruins.  To put that in context, Russia lost 40 times as many people in WWII as America did, and the American mainland was untouched.

Point being, the Russian people have had a very different experience than Americans.  This helps explain for instance their reaction to growing Western influence in Ukraine. 

I’m not suggesting this excuses any behavior, but it is something we should probably keep in mind.

A dangerous gangster not a Wall Street gangster?? Oh dear

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Posted: 09 July 2017 09:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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DougC - 19 June 2017 05:06 PM

Also keep in mind that Putin was trained from an early age in an organization who’s main purpose was the destruction of a free USA, one that stole much of the technology now available to build RS-28 Satan 2 ICBMs and S-500 strategic defense SAMs that can reach into space and destroy any American counter-strike that could possibly be launched in response to a Russian attack. And to be clear, all indications are that the Russian attack has begun, that’s what putting someone like Trump in the White House is. The only question is how far it will be taken.

And thinking that Trump will out maneuver Putin is ridiculous. Putin is a trained agent from one of the most capable and ruthless organizations in history. Trump is a failed real estate mogul who after repeated bankruptcies went into reality TV.

Putin has both the motive and means to want to take America out, it’s his traditional enemy going back decades and stands in the way of him extending his control over the breadth of eastern Europe and Asia the way the Soviet Empire he was part of did. Trump could be asked by the Russians to do something that seemed perfectly simple and safe to him but is actually part a very sophisticated attack. We’d never know until it was too late.

Once again, why the hell are Congressional republicans asleep on this, do they really hate the rest of America so much they’re willing to see it burn rather than take a very real threat out of play.

Every day that Trump is in office is a day of risk of a level we will never know until it is too late.

There is no credible Russian military threat to the USA and never will be so you need to relax.

Presumably you can show evidence of such an irresponsible statement. We know you wouldn’t make wild statements with nothing to back them up.

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Posted: 09 July 2017 09:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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deros - 06 July 2017 03:02 PM

Yes we are a threat to Russia and they are a threat to us.  New weapons or not, currently both of us are capable of ending life as it is know on our planet.  As a threat, that speaks for itself.

Both the US and Russia have stockpiles of nuclear weapons. Why woukd anyone think either would never use them against the other? Why would anyone think Putin doesn’t lie? Why would anyone think Trump has a clue about international relations?

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