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What’s with the scientific fixation on the Carbon Theory?
Posted: 17 July 2017 01:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 17 July 2017 06:18 AM
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Adamski - 17 July 2017 03:32 AM

Why can’t capitalism fix climate change ??

There is nothing in capitalism that looks ahead to big changes in the future landscape.

Because the capitalism American has evolved to put purely about short term self interest.

Enlighten self-interest seems a thing of past to the greed haunted brains of our oligarchs who possess zero scruples and have now gotten bigger than our governments, and thus moving towards ever increasing lawlessness.

And that answers the other thread which asks “Is too much Liberalism a good thing”

The question should be “Is too much Capitalism a Good thing”?

Or more precisely put; “Is Unrestricted Capitalism a Good thing”?

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Posted: 18 July 2017 01:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 17 July 2017 06:18 AM
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Adamski - 17 July 2017 03:32 AM

Why can’t capitalism fix climate change ??

There is nothing in capitalism that looks ahead to big changes in the future landscape.

Because the capitalism American has evolved to put purely about short term self interest.

Enlighten self-interest seems a thing of past to the greed haunted brains of our oligarchs who possess zero scruples and have now gotten bigger than our governments, and thus moving towards ever increasing lawlessness.

Time to hit the books Citizen. Capitalism has always been about short term self interest with the ownership of the means of production distribution and exchange held in private hands.

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Posted: 18 July 2017 01:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 17 July 2017 06:13 AM
Adamski - 17 July 2017 04:36 AM
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Adamski - 17 July 2017 03:32 AM

Why can’t capitalism fix climate change ??

There is nothing in capitalism that looks ahead to big changes in the future landscape.

So then we die or capitalism dies??

We will first destroy this planet, then die.

But then this thread was supposed to be about addressing the idiots who refuse to learn about what the f’n Carbon Theory is all about in the first place.

Yet you would give your life to save capitalism from revolution knowing that capitalism will kill you and your family. WOW!!

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Posted: 18 July 2017 01:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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What kind of revolution do you propose?

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Posted: 18 July 2017 01:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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Write4U - 18 July 2017 01:07 PM

What kind of revolution do you propose?

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Posted: 18 July 2017 02:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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What kind of revolution do you propose?

Worker

I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to read Adamski again without a Russian accent in my head.

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Posted: 18 July 2017 05:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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Adamski - 18 July 2017 01:50 PM
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What kind of revolution do you propose?

Worker

Has that model not been tried already? What was the result?

Objectively I am against unrestricted Capitalism, as that model seems to be failing also. CO2 pollution is but one example of the result of that model.

I’d like to see a socio/economic model that would provide incentive by rewarding all who put in an earnest effort to be productive and make things better, without wanton destruction of the environment.

All living things, other than humans, seem to be able to make that work.

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Posted: 18 July 2017 07:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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Excuse me, but can you take it somewhere else.  long face
This thread is supposed to be about discussing our collective willful disregard of fundamental GHG physics and what that means for our future.

* Weather satellites that can image heat and moisture and wind’s effects into comprehensible images.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* Precipitable water. Contrast brightness temperatures measured via oxygen emissions and via H2O emissions to back calculate how much water is present.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* Heat seeking air to air missiles, they would not function if those guidence computers didn’t have a complete description of how heat moves through the atmosphere.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
*  Lasers wouldn’t work if we had radiative physics wrong.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* Early-Warning satellites.  How are they going to distinguish between a missile launch from lightning, over Siberia?  Better look at IR in DETAIL!  (There’s much more)

Spectroscopic Databases such as HiTran and Geisa have military origins. Going back to WWII and the desire to do Night Bombing better. Then this continued during research programs in the 50’s & 60’s, with a lot of it through the Cambridge Research Laboratory.

The program ModTran that is an example of a narrow band Radiative Transfer Code, for calculating radiative transfer. Half the patents for this are held by the Pentagon. The company that develops it - Spectral Sciences Inc - does so under license to the United States Air Force.
http://modtran5.com/
http://www.spectral.com/MODTRAN.shtml
http://climatemodels.uchicago.edu/modtran/

For 20 years developments to ModTran were signed off by the Commandant of the USAF GeoPhysics Laboratory, Hanscom AFB, Ma. These days it is the responsibility of the Commandant, the USAF Laboratory, Kirtland AFB, NM.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

*  The detection of specific chemicals in the atmospheres of exoplanets:
By modeling the gases at high pressures, you can produce an expected absorption for infrared from the planet and compare the model to the spectra recorded by the Spitzer space telescope.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

*Spectroscopy includes measurement of absorption of IR wavelengths
eg measurement of CO2 levels in the atmosphere and ice cores relies on IR absorption. (that would make using ice core records to “prove” GHE doesn’t exists amusing)
“Each sample has a volume of 4~6 cm3. CO2 concentration was measured with IR tunable diode laser spectroscopy, scanning a single vibrational-rotational absorption line.”  https://nsidc.org/data/docs/agdc/nsidc0202_wahlen/
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

*  And it’s not just physics of the standard GH gases.
Microwave emissions of oxygen molecules gives us satellite temperature sensing of the atmosphere.
Nitrogen - Nitrogen collisions form part of the basis of the GH effect on places like Saturn’s moon Titan.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

*  Getting out of the IR range, but the Dobson spectrophotometer designed in 1924 to measure ozone (and the standard instrument for doing so, for many years) is based on the application of Beers Law. Using two close wavelengths that differ mainly in their O3 absorption coefficients, total column O3 is determined by the difference in transmission (sun view).
Careful selection of wavelengths allows measurement of many atmospheric gases.
IR instruments for CO2 and H2O are off-the-shelf items.

smile  just say’n

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Posted: 19 July 2017 12:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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Write4U - 18 July 2017 05:59 PM
Adamski - 18 July 2017 01:50 PM
Write4U - 18 July 2017 01:07 PM

What kind of revolution do you propose?

Worker

Has that model not been tried already? What was the result?

Objectively I am against unrestricted Capitalism, as that model seems to be failing also. CO2 pollution is but one example of the result of that model.

I’d like to see a socio/economic model that would provide incentive by rewarding all who put in an earnest effort to be productive and make things better, without wanton destruction of the environment.

All living things, other than humans, seem to be able to make that work.

Err ... tried where??

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Posted: 19 July 2017 02:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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Adamski said,
Err ... tried where??

Russia, China.

Why a Workers’ Revolution is Necessary

by Leader

The RCPC urges you to support reform-minded, communist candidates. If there isn’t one in your area, form your own party and get a candidate. While the world revolution is inevitable, supporting communist parties will still help accelerate the process. We hope for leaders in the spirit of Lenin, Trotsky, and Mao! Good luck! Start a revolution!

Forever fearless and devoted,

Your Leader

Communism, maybe?

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Posted: 19 July 2017 02:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]
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Write4U - 19 July 2017 02:11 AM

Adamski said,
Err ... tried where??

Russia, China.

Why a Workers’ Revolution is Necessary

by Leader

The RCPC urges you to support reform-minded, communist candidates. If there isn’t one in your area, form your own party and get a candidate. While the world revolution is inevitable, supporting communist parties will still help accelerate the process. We hope for leaders in the spirit of Lenin, Trotsky, and Mao! Good luck! Start a revolution!

Forever fearless and devoted,

Your Leader

Communism, maybe?

Russia/china? Err….... no. Revolution betrayed - Leon Trotsky

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Posted: 19 July 2017 02:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]
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Doug, can you ask these two to take this totally off topic, word play somewhere else.

That babble has nothing to do with this thread - They can take it and start a new thread.

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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 18 July 2017 07:08 PM

Excuse me, but can you take it somewhere else.  long face
This thread is supposed to be about discussing our collective willful disregard of fundamental GHG physics and what that means for our future.

* Weather satellites that can image heat and moisture and wind’s effects into comprehensible images.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* Precipitable water. Contrast brightness temperatures measured via oxygen emissions and via H2O emissions to back calculate how much water is present.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* Heat seeking air to air missiles, they would not function if those guidence computers didn’t have a complete description of how heat moves through the atmosphere.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
*  Lasers wouldn’t work if we had radiative physics wrong.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* Early-Warning satellites.  How are they going to distinguish between a missile launch from lightning, over Siberia?  Better look at IR in DETAIL!  (There’s much more)

Spectroscopic Databases such as HiTran and Geisa have military origins. Going back to WWII and the desire to do Night Bombing better. Then this continued during research programs in the 50’s & 60’s, with a lot of it through the Cambridge Research Laboratory.

The program ModTran that is an example of a narrow band Radiative Transfer Code, for calculating radiative transfer. Half the patents for this are held by the Pentagon. The company that develops it - Spectral Sciences Inc - does so under license to the United States Air Force.
http://modtran5.com/
http://www.spectral.com/MODTRAN.shtml
http://climatemodels.uchicago.edu/modtran/

For 20 years developments to ModTran were signed off by the Commandant of the USAF GeoPhysics Laboratory, Hanscom AFB, Ma. These days it is the responsibility of the Commandant, the USAF Laboratory, Kirtland AFB, NM.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

*  The detection of specific chemicals in the atmospheres of exoplanets:
By modeling the gases at high pressures, you can produce an expected absorption for infrared from the planet and compare the model to the spectra recorded by the Spitzer space telescope.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

*Spectroscopy includes measurement of absorption of IR wavelengths
eg measurement of CO2 levels in the atmosphere and ice cores relies on IR absorption. (that would make using ice core records to “prove” GHE doesn’t exists amusing)
“Each sample has a volume of 4~6 cm3. CO2 concentration was measured with IR tunable diode laser spectroscopy, scanning a single vibrational-rotational absorption line.”  https://nsidc.org/data/docs/agdc/nsidc0202_wahlen/
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

*  And it’s not just physics of the standard GH gases.
Microwave emissions of oxygen molecules gives us satellite temperature sensing of the atmosphere.
Nitrogen - Nitrogen collisions form part of the basis of the GH effect on places like Saturn’s moon Titan.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

*  Getting out of the IR range, but the Dobson spectrophotometer designed in 1924 to measure ozone (and the standard instrument for doing so, for many years) is based on the application of Beers Law. Using two close wavelengths that differ mainly in their O3 absorption coefficients, total column O3 is determined by the difference in transmission (sun view).
Careful selection of wavelengths allows measurement of many atmospheric gases.
IR instruments for CO2 and H2O are off-the-shelf items.

smile  just say’n

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Posted: 19 July 2017 03:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 74 ]
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@ CCv3,

  smile  just say’n

Sorry, just got caught up in the moment.

Back to Carbon.
Something struck me.  Graphene is a pure carbon.  Would it be possible to create a form of fractal carbon scrubber system, which would be able to convert the captured carbon into graphene solar panels and use to create energy.

If the fractal function of trees can do this, could we replace deforestation with forests of artificial fractal “trees” to capture carbon in the troposphere and using graphene based networks to distribute and convert sunlight into energy?

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Posted: 19 July 2017 06:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 75 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 19 July 2017 02:24 PM

Doug, can you ask these two to take this totally off topic, word play somewhere else.

That babble has nothing to do with this thread - They can take it and start a new thread.

OK, let’s try to keep things generally on-topic. I know it can be tough sometimes.

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