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Do Western Women Reveal Too Much of Their Body?
Posted: 09 September 2017 12:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 151 ]
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DougC - 08 September 2017 10:52 AM

With everything of infinitely more importance going on in the world today why not just have a discussion on how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin, it would have as much relevance as this kind of idiocy that few keep trying to bring up here as meaningless distraction from cold hard reality.

So you think discussing women’s role in society is idiocy? Isn’t that a bit patronizing towards women?

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Posted: 09 September 2017 12:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 152 ]
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Sukhamaya (Sam) Bain - 08 September 2017 10:36 AM
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 30 August 2017 07:59 AM

Your stupid “God” is no more than Man’s boundless EGO blasted beyond all rational bounds.[/color]

You mean, “God” is no more than humans’ absurd insult to their natural intelligence; and it is beyond all rational bounds?

Thanks for addressing the problems with people like ‘webplodder’, who really have no sense of respect for their mothers, sisters, daughters and all the other women that they love (and the women love them back). In turn, they actually have no sense of self-respect. How can a man respect himself when he accepts that his mother belongs in an inferior gender? As I say, if I were the lawyer of an Islamic State terrorist, I would plead insanity defense on his behalf.

“An inferior gender” are your words, not mine. It’s not a question of being inferior or superior. It is a question of which roles are best suited to males and females. Nature has made men and women different in order for them to co-operate together and contribute what skills nature has imbued them with. The problem, nowadays, in rich western societies is that people don’t have to deal with the day to day demands of survival that our forebears had to deal with, where men did the hunting and defending while women were left to take care of kids and provide food and comfort for men. This worked well in that situation but today things have changed so much that men and women are no longer required to fulfill their basic functions.

This situation has caused much dissatisfaction among people who find it difficult to identify with a gender role, causing sexual confusion and distasteful practices, which not so long ago would gave been seriously frowned upon. Today, we live in a dysfunctional politically correct atmosphere which has stifled ration discussion and demonized those who do not happen to agree with the kind of social experiments we see that would have been unthinkable in more sane times.

If humans were primitive and unintelligent and in a jungle, they would compete with animals for food and shelter. The physically stronger ones among them would do the laborious work, including hunting, gathering and fighting. The women would stay in the caves and dens to prepare food and to be the breeding and child-raising machines to make as many as possible physically strong boys. But guess what, humans are highly intelligent, and they do not fight enemies and adversities with physical strength; they use their brainpower. And there is no basis to think that men are inherently better than women in science, technology, business, politics, etc. So, in the civilized human world, the roles of women are not to be decided by some bozo men; there women are free to choose what they want to do. That is why there are more women leaders in all sectors of life in the more advanced and civilized nations than in the more backward and barbaric nations.

As I said, I would defend an Islamic State terrorist by pleading insane on behalf of him. In these discussions, I would look at minds like yours with pity, thinking that they are too brainwashed with religious/traditional stupidity.

How many female Nobel prize winners have there been? Who has written the most powerful symphonies? I could go on…....

‘How many female Nobel prize winners have there been?’ is a question without much thinking with respect to assessing if men are inherently smarter than women. For thousands of years women have been subjugated and not given educational and leadership opportunities in the world. Even today there are too many nations in the world where women are treated as men’s property, and not like humans. Even today in the West, a lot of people, including a lot of women, promote women’s looks more than their brain. But as the world advances, people are increasingly giving their girl children equal opportunities as their boy children, and it has been showing results. I have seen a lot of young women at the top of their college classes that I taught in the USA, and a not of professional women in leadership positions in their offices. Women have not gotten as many Nobel Prizes, or not been as many leaders, is no indication of them not being inherently as good as men in everywhere that they put their mind.

So how much longer have we to wait for all these greats works you think women are capable of? If they’re doing so well at college why aren’t they outpacing men in the sciences and arts? Or is the truth that they get pushed to get degrees but when it comes down to it, lack the independence of men when it comes to challenging the system and pushing knowledge?

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Posted: 09 September 2017 12:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 153 ]
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Beltane - 07 September 2017 12:27 PM
webplodder - 07 September 2017 05:37 AM
Sukhamaya (Sam) Bain - 31 August 2017 07:12 PM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 30 August 2017 07:59 AM

Your stupid “God” is no more than Man’s boundless EGO blasted beyond all rational bounds.[/color]

You mean, “God” is no more than humans’ absurd insult to their natural intelligence; and it is beyond all rational bounds?

Thanks for addressing the problems with people like ‘webplodder’, who really have no sense of respect for their mothers, sisters, daughters and all the other women that they love (and the women love them back). In turn, they actually have no sense of self-respect. How can a man respect himself when he accepts that his mother belongs in an inferior gender? As I say, if I were the lawyer of an Islamic State terrorist, I would plead insanity defense on his behalf.

“An inferior gender” are your words, not mine. It’s not a question of being inferior or superior. It is a question of which roles are best suited to males and females. Nature has made men and women different in order for them to co-operate together and contribute what skills nature has imbued them with. The problem, nowadays, in rich western societies is that people don’t have to deal with the day to day demands of survival that our forebears had to deal with, where men did the hunting and defending while women were left to take care of kids and provide food and comfort for men. This worked well in that situation but today things have changed so much that men and women are no longer required to fulfill their basic functions.

This situation has caused much dissatisfaction among people who find it difficult to identify with a gender role, causing sexual confusion and distasteful practices, which not so long ago would gave been seriously frowned upon. Today, we live in a dysfunctional politically correct atmosphere which has stifled ration discussion and demonized those who do not happen to agree with the kind of social experiments we see that would have been unthinkable in more sane times.

I think this is basically accurate but it needs to be emphasized that men and women will always be required to fulfill their basic functions, as you say, because that is the only way humanity can continue. The breakdown of gender roles we see today is the result of mental illness and physical decay caused by an hedonistic society - not really because life is easier - although an easy life is a big contributor to hedonism.

How come only you and I can see things clearly? You’re a very intelligent person.

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Posted: 09 September 2017 12:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 154 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 08 September 2017 04:22 PM

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webplodder - 07 September 2017 09:29 AM

You seem to think western women are the ‘victims.’ Not so, most women like being looked at when it suits them but when it doesn’t just want to complain. You have been indoctrinated so much you think you’re happy. Good boy, the girls just love your type.

Looking back over the sweep of my life I’ve been amazingly fortunate.
Not sure what you mean by ‘good boy’, but I have striven to live by good ethics such as, ‘I never wanted anything from a woman she didn’t want to offer me.’
I don’t pretend to be what I’m not, and I don’t expect others to pretend for me.  I like people for they who are more than the facades they can wear.

I believe you want very badly to paint me with a villainous or stupid or drooling or slovenly (or all of the above and more) paint brush, but all that comes from your own heart, it does not reflect who I am, it reflects your own insecurities.  Peace be with you.

webplodder - 07 September 2017 09:31 AM

I’m wondering what kind of women you’ve met.

From Goddesses to commoners.  I’m sure you too would have profited from some of their counsel.  For example one wonderful insightful lady friend in romantic Germany who in our early twenties handed me Hermann Hesse’s “Narcissus and Goldmund” saying “You need to read this.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_and_Goldmund I dare say it made quite an impression in that it affirmed what was happening in me, great call on her part.  Forty years later and damned if it hasn’t worked out beyond my expectations.  Although that was one of my secrets, never fixated on expectations too much, instead I went through my life with the perspective of a Grateful Appreciative Immigrant, thankful for every day I moved through. 

Oh re the google article, someday I’ll write a review of my own, since the ones I’ve read have been written by cyphers who must have read rung-out condensed versions: “… who wanders aimlessly through Medieval Germany” - jezz that gets an F.


But your question is simply a diversion to ignore what I myself wrote and shared, just take what I’ve told you at face value, it’s much closer to the truth than anything your machinations can conjure.

Women are only as good as how they treat their men.

Behind Every Great Man There Is A Great Woman.

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Want to learn a thing or two about “real” woman?

Victor Villaseñor
Wild Steps of Heaven


https://books.google.com/books/about/Wild_Steps_of_Heaven.html?id=WjCxAAAAIAAJ

“In Wild Steps of Heaven, Victor Villasenor breathes life into his father’s family, and in particular, the Villasenor women. Mothers and daughters, sisters and lovers - their faith transcends the madness that surrounds them, and their love is all-powerful, life-giving, and touched by the miraculous. Margarita is the indomitable Indian matriarch who guards her family and conquers her enemies with the cutting edge of unconditional love - and a touch of magic.

As a young woman, she was swept away by Juan Jesus Villasenor, who carried the blood of Spanish royalty in his veins - and who, unarmed, once wrestled with the great serpent that held his village hostage…and won.”

“Together, Don Juan and Dona Margarita would create a dynasty on the eve of the Mexican Revolution. Their daughters…Emilia and Luisa, …”—

Fun read, or listen, as the case may be.

Well, I would say you have a pretty romantic take on women, one that might have come from a rather priveliged lifestyle and rich parents. If you had mixed with ordinary folk I doubt you would still see women (and men come to that) as such paragons of virtue. I detect a streak of Bohemian romanticism in your prose and this might be coloring your views on women. Are you an artist?

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Posted: 09 September 2017 11:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 155 ]
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webplodder - 09 September 2017 12:33 AM
Sukhamaya (Sam) Bain - 08 September 2017 10:36 AM
webplodder - 08 September 2017 12:49 AM
Sukhamaya (Sam) Bain - 07 September 2017 03:08 PM
webplodder - 07 September 2017 05:37 AM
Sukhamaya (Sam) Bain - 31 August 2017 07:12 PM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 30 August 2017 07:59 AM

Your stupid “God” is no more than Man’s boundless EGO blasted beyond all rational bounds.[/color]

You mean, “God” is no more than humans’ absurd insult to their natural intelligence; and it is beyond all rational bounds?

Thanks for addressing the problems with people like ‘webplodder’, who really have no sense of respect for their mothers, sisters, daughters and all the other women that they love (and the women love them back). In turn, they actually have no sense of self-respect. How can a man respect himself when he accepts that his mother belongs in an inferior gender? As I say, if I were the lawyer of an Islamic State terrorist, I would plead insanity defense on his behalf.

“An inferior gender” are your words, not mine. It’s not a question of being inferior or superior. It is a question of which roles are best suited to males and females. Nature has made men and women different in order for them to co-operate together and contribute what skills nature has imbued them with. The problem, nowadays, in rich western societies is that people don’t have to deal with the day to day demands of survival that our forebears had to deal with, where men did the hunting and defending while women were left to take care of kids and provide food and comfort for men. This worked well in that situation but today things have changed so much that men and women are no longer required to fulfill their basic functions.

This situation has caused much dissatisfaction among people who find it difficult to identify with a gender role, causing sexual confusion and distasteful practices, which not so long ago would gave been seriously frowned upon. Today, we live in a dysfunctional politically correct atmosphere which has stifled ration discussion and demonized those who do not happen to agree with the kind of social experiments we see that would have been unthinkable in more sane times.

If humans were primitive and unintelligent and in a jungle, they would compete with animals for food and shelter. The physically stronger ones among them would do the laborious work, including hunting, gathering and fighting. The women would stay in the caves and dens to prepare food and to be the breeding and child-raising machines to make as many as possible physically strong boys. But guess what, humans are highly intelligent, and they do not fight enemies and adversities with physical strength; they use their brainpower. And there is no basis to think that men are inherently better than women in science, technology, business, politics, etc. So, in the civilized human world, the roles of women are not to be decided by some bozo men; there women are free to choose what they want to do. That is why there are more women leaders in all sectors of life in the more advanced and civilized nations than in the more backward and barbaric nations.

As I said, I would defend an Islamic State terrorist by pleading insane on behalf of him. In these discussions, I would look at minds like yours with pity, thinking that they are too brainwashed with religious/traditional stupidity.

How many female Nobel prize winners have there been? Who has written the most powerful symphonies? I could go on…....

‘How many female Nobel prize winners have there been?’ is a question without much thinking with respect to assessing if men are inherently smarter than women. For thousands of years women have been subjugated and not given educational and leadership opportunities in the world. Even today there are too many nations in the world where women are treated as men’s property, and not like humans. Even today in the West, a lot of people, including a lot of women, promote women’s looks more than their brain. But as the world advances, people are increasingly giving their girl children equal opportunities as their boy children, and it has been showing results. I have seen a lot of young women at the top of their college classes that I taught in the USA, and a not of professional women in leadership positions in their offices. Women have not gotten as many Nobel Prizes, or not been as many leaders, is no indication of them not being inherently as good as men in everywhere that they put their mind.

So how much longer have we to wait for all these greats works you think women are capable of? If they’re doing so well at college why aren’t they outpacing men in the sciences and arts? Or is the truth that they get pushed to get degrees but when it comes down to it, lack the independence of men when it comes to challenging the system and pushing knowledge?

Get lost, buddy. You have been spamming this thread with rubbish. Start respecting women as much as you respect men, and clean up your brain of the idea that women need to be protected, as a valuable property, from men. Worthy men are not criminals against women, and women do not need to be protected from them. Give the girls in your life the freedom to get educated and to move around as freely as boys. They will not only easily outsmart men like you, they will physically kick the butts of men like you when needed, with no help from men. I am done with you, and will not respond to you further on this subject.

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Posted: 09 September 2017 12:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 156 ]
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Beltane - 08 September 2017 09:01 PM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 08 September 2017 03:46 PM
Beltane - 07 September 2017 12:27 PM

... because that is the only way humanity can continue.

That’s funny.  You really think that’s humanity’s greatest challenge?
You don’t see any other problems creeping up on us?

What I mean is if men and women don’t fulfill their biological functions then babies don’t get made and the species dies out.

Thanks for the clarification, Beltane. Sure, for the human species to survive, women would continue to need to be pregnant and keep the to-be-born human beings in their wombs. That would continue to be the difference between men and women. This factor should make all human beings appreciate their foremothers more than their forefathers, and respect the women of today and of the future.

But, for practically all other functions, most men can do as good as most women, and vice versa, given the appropriate education and training. There would continue to be areas where more men would be interested than women, and vice versa. For some functions, men on average could do better than women on average, and vice versa. But, at the individual level, the choice should be the individual’s. Surely, the world does not need men who think that women are valuable objects and that men are women abusers to decide the functions of men and women in the world.

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