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Posted: 22 July 2017 06:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Adamski - 22 July 2017 12:47 AM

faith as in how God botherers justify their beliefs.

What do you know about God?  Who are you to speak for Her?

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Posted: 22 July 2017 02:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Adamski - 22 July 2017 12:47 AM

faith as in how God botherers justify their beliefs.

What do you know about God?  Who are you to speak for Her?

I tend to agree with Carlin, that IF there is a God, it has to be a man. Women would never screw things up this way.

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Posted: 22 July 2017 02:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 22 July 2017 06:08 AM
Adamski - 22 July 2017 12:47 AM

faith as in how God botherers justify their beliefs.

What do you know about God?  Who are you to speak for Her?

I reject the claim that a god gods exists. Those that claim to Know god are the god bothered.

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Posted: 22 July 2017 02:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Write4U - 22 July 2017 12:58 AM

The one true faith I have, is in the human ability to eventually express the Universe in mathematical terms.

I come from the simple standpoint that if in just a few decades we can mathematically predict the existence of a probable fundamental particle, such as the Higgs boson, and then prove it’s existence under laboratory conditions, I am confident that the Universal mathematical values and functions have already employed these processes long before we built Cern to simulate an environment which must have existed since the beginning.

Even if we assume that this phenomenon must be probabilistic in nature, the combination of the immense space and time available to the universe presented a high probability (potential) that all the fundamental properties of the fabric of space would be created as a the results of the BB, and the known evolutionary spacetime processes thereafter.

When I saw the following episode on fractals and how the fractal functions (simple self-iteration) can be used to render objects at universal scale which are indistinguishable from reality itself, it only reinforced my belief that we are on the right path in solving the puzzle of the nature of the universe and how it evolves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Exnv8Ym7s

Yet all this is out the door when objectively criticing US imperialism and capitalism .

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Posted: 22 July 2017 03:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Adamsli said,
Yet all this is out the door when objectively criticing US imperialism and capitalism .

What does that have to do with science and technology?

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Posted: 22 July 2017 03:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Write4U - 22 July 2017 03:14 PM

Adamsli said,
Yet all this is out the door when objectively criticing US imperialism and capitalism .

What does that have to do with science and technology?

Critical thinking

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Posted: 22 July 2017 03:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Adamski - 22 July 2017 03:16 PM
Write4U - 22 July 2017 03:14 PM

Adamsli said,
Yet all this is out the door when objectively criticing US imperialism and capitalism .

What does that have to do with science and technology?

Critical thinking

Then do it in the right discussion forum. I’s called Politics and Social Issues.  In context of science, this type of critical thinking is just a nuisance. Please stop that!

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Posted: 22 July 2017 10:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Adamski - 22 July 2017 02:46 PM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 22 July 2017 06:08 AM
Adamski - 22 July 2017 12:47 AM

faith as in how God botherers justify their beliefs.

What do you know about God?  Who are you to speak for Her?

I reject the claim that a god gods exists. Those that claim to Know god are the god bothered.

or perhaps merely the reflection of one’s ultra-ego.


Never hear “god bothered” what’s it’s background?

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Posted: 22 July 2017 10:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Speaking of critical thinking, did you get a chance to look at these?

Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 20 July 2017 08:43 PM

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/24429/what-is-wrong-with-poppers-theory-of-falsification
Has a few folks giving their two cents worth.

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Popper himself. He admitted that original falsificationism does not account for evolutionary biology, (or complex Earth systems) “Darwinian evolutionary theory failed to satisfy that criterion so it was not a scientific theory but only a metaphysical research programme”. Indeed it does not work very well outside of physics, “it excludes not just evolutionary biology but also historical geology and much of astronomy”. ncse.com/ncser/13/4/popper-evolution

And even in physics Lakatos had to dilute falsificationism to make it minimally tenable. – Conifold Jun 12 ‘15 at 22:51

Even better,

Falsification: Was Karl Popper Wrong About Science?
By Alex Berezow — August 19, 2016
American Council on Science and Health

http://www.acsh.org/news/2016/08/19/falsification-was-karl-popper-wrong-about-science

Popper’s views are highly influential. Indeed, few scientists would dispute the importance of falsifiability. But just how realistic is Popper’s spin on the scientific method? Does science actually advance in this way? In a paper nearly a decade old in the journal Foundations of Science, philosophy professor Sven Ove Hansson argues that Popper is wrong.

To make his case, Dr. Hansson selected 70 papers* from the journal Nature published in the year 2000. He asked a series of questions and classified the papers accordingly. His schema is shown below. (My explanations, which are additions to the original figure, are shown in red text.)...

It’s worth the read for sure.

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Posted: 22 July 2017 10:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 22 July 2017 10:16 PM
Adamski - 22 July 2017 02:46 PM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 22 July 2017 06:08 AM
Adamski - 22 July 2017 12:47 AM

faith as in how God botherers justify their beliefs.

What do you know about God?  Who are you to speak for Her?

I reject the claim that a god gods exists. Those that claim to Know god are the god bothered.

or perhaps merely the reflection of one’s ultra-ego.


Never hear “god bothered” what’s it’s background?

Stop praying leave the guy alone

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Posted: 22 July 2017 10:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Write4U - 22 July 2017 03:43 PM
Adamski - 22 July 2017 03:16 PM
Write4U - 22 July 2017 03:14 PM

Adamsli said,
Yet all this is out the door when objectively criticing US imperialism and capitalism .

What does that have to do with science and technology?

Critical thinking

Then do it in the right discussion forum. I’s called Politics and Social Issues.  In context of science, this type of critical thinking is just a nuisance. Please stop that!

Logic free conversation

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Posted: 23 July 2017 01:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 20 July 2017 08:33 PM

If what you say had substance Engineering would not exist !

No, no. Predictability is enough for technology.

‘If you make this, put that and that together, and then push the button, the light will go on’ is a prediction. Prediction is the touchstone of scientific theories. If they succeed they can be used in technology.

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The light is on, but there is nobody at home.

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Posted: 23 July 2017 03:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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GdB - 23 July 2017 01:44 AM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 20 July 2017 08:33 PM

If what you say had substance Engineering would not exist !

No, no. Predictability is enough for technology.

‘If you make this, put that and that together, and then push the button, the light will go on’ is a prediction. Prediction is the touchstone of scientific theories. If they succeed they can be used in technology.


From the clip; The Great Math Mystery

The head engineer of the Discovery rover said; Mathematics must be precisely right, but for practical purposes we don’t get paid to do it right, we get paid to do it just right enough”.

And even as they took shortcuts from the pure extended mathematics, they did it just right enough to land the Discovery successfully on Mars.

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Posted: 23 July 2017 07:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Write4U - 23 July 2017 03:32 AM
GdB - 23 July 2017 01:44 AM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 20 July 2017 08:33 PM

If what you say had substance Engineering would not exist !

No, no. Predictability is enough for technology.

‘If you make this, put that and that together, and then push the button, the light will go on’ is a prediction. Prediction is the touchstone of scientific theories. If they succeed they can be used in technology.


From the clip; The Great Math Mystery

The head engineer of the Discovery rover said; Mathematics must be precisely right, but for practical purposes we don’t get paid to do it right, we get paid to do it just right enough”.

And even as they took shortcuts from the pure extended mathematics, they did it just right enough to land the Discovery successfully on Mars.

Beltane - 20 July 2017 08:40 PM
JohnH - 20 July 2017 11:09 AM

Science, thus is not about absolute truths as much as it is about predictability.

Pretty much.

It turns out “predictability” is good enough.

I’m a sucker for trick questions - the “absolute” wrapped up in the Popperian Myth, which I’ve seldom seen discussed on it’s own merit, but instead tends to show up when people are looking for excuses to ignore the established and repeatedly reaffirmed ‘truths’  wink of climate science, made me sloppy.

That’s why I tossed in the Science isn’t Absolutism.  So, what is truth?

Definition of truth
plural truthsplay play \ˈtrüthz, ˈtrüths\
1a (1) :  the body of real things, events, and facts :  actuality
    (2) :  the state of being the case :  fact
    (3) often capitalized :  a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality

b :  a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true truths of thermodynamics

c :  the body of true statements and propositions

2a :  the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality

b chiefly British :  true 2

c :  fidelity to an original or to a standard

3 a :  sincerity in action, character, and utterance

b archaic :  fidelity, constancy

4 capitalized, Christian Science :  god
- in truth
:  in accordance with fact :  actually

Seems that in the end “Truth” is another slippery word like God that we can play with and manipulate into whatever we want to make of it.

Yet, yet, in the end there is a universe and Earth that operates by it’s own absolutely true and consistent rules. 
We humans have tasked ourselves with discovering those ‘truths’ to the best of our ability.
And we’ve been way the hell successful, too successful for our own good in fact.

So we find ourselves in a sort of Dichotomy Paradox, half way there, half way there, yet never arriving - which of course is not how the real pragmatic world operates,
proof being that we are constantly arriving at our destinations. Or consider the “Carbon Theory” and all the complex modern marvels that would not, could not, function if scientists had not arrived at the true composition of our atmosphere and a true understanding of how the physics of its various components function. 
That there is still more to be learned and refinements to make as our instruments improve still doesn’t make what’s known and useful untrue.

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Posted: 23 July 2017 12:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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CCv3 said,
So we find ourselves in a sort of Dichotomy Paradox, half way there, half way there, yet never arriving - which of course is not how the real pragmatic world operates,
proof being that we are constantly arriving at our destinations. Or consider the “Carbon Theory” and all the complex modern marvels that would not, could not, function if scientists had not arrived at the true composition of our atmosphere and a true understanding of how the physics of its various components function. 
That there is still more to be learned and refinements to make as our instruments improve still doesn’t make what’s known and useful untrue.

I agree, and IMO, we do know “some” things which are undeniably True, because if they were not absolute, the universe would not, could not exist. We have identified certain mathematical universal functions which are constant and by extension “absolute”.

The Law of Falling Bodies is but one of them. Gravity is another. EM is another.  Tegmark has identified all but a few of these universally mathematical constants, which deserve the title of being True (at least in this universe).

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