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Posted: 06 August 2017 05:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Beltane - 06 August 2017 04:58 PM
Write4U - 06 August 2017 12:04 AM

If I compare the objectivity in reporting and commentary of MSNBC with Fox News, the difference is stunning.
IMO, with the exception of PBS (a non-profit), MSNBC has the most knowledgeable and objective reporters and commentators.

MSNBC is clearly leftist.

Here’s an interesting study on MSNBC from Pew: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/#2b67f1995f8c

Define leftist and how this leads to telling lies? Is GW a “leftist issue”? I don’t hear much about that except denial from the “rightist” crowd.

And as far as offering opinions. The people offering opinions are knowledgeable on the subject. Is that a disqualifier?

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Posted: 07 August 2017 12:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Beltane - 06 August 2017 04:42 PM

The transition already happened, and MSM has no place in the new media world.

The media has no place in the media world?

I don’t think I need to point out how meaningless that statement is.

What you are really saying is as far as you’re concerned that like trump you are entirely opposed to media that you can’t control.

Leave out White Supremacists and the same could be said of MSM.

See my thread on how the NRA is acting in openly attacking the right of the New York Times to even accurately report on the huge numbers of gun deaths in Chicago. It’s not dog whistle to state in clear terms that guns being manufactured and sold by US corporations are being used to kill thousands of Americans every year.

It is to engage in the kind of insane, “all liberals are evil” nonsense that comes out of Fox News, and has been echoed by you and a few others here.

The level of bias and the distortion of reality on the part those on the center left of the spectrum doesn’t compare in the slightest with what is happening on the extreme right. For one thing there isn’t the money being made available for responsible media by the kind of foundations that have been working since the early 1970s to rewrite society itself in the US.

Show me where there are liberal commentators like Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck or Donald Trump himself. Trump for years lied about Barak Obama not even being American not because he had facts to back up his claims or that he was working in the interests of providing important information that could better inform citizens of the US in their interests.

It was pure dog whistle to racists and extremists in the US that he was their kind of guy and when the time came if they supported him they could count on him to put into practice their hate based beliefs.

And that is much of the difference between many other media platforms and organizations like Fox News and Breitbart. They are not largely hate based, but Fox News and Breitbart are. You just have to look at the kind of commentators they have allowed, some have been removed due to how extreme their actions and beliefs are. Even Bill O’Reilly is gone from Fox and we are learning just how hostile the environment there was to women and minorities under Roger Ailes.

Breitbart finally got rid of one of its editors that orchestrated an online stalking of black actress Leslie Jones that include multiple death threats.

I get that you’re totally opposed to respect for the facts or other people, otherwise you wouldn’t be supporting trump or posting most of the stuff you do.

I don’t even think you’re American or have a clue what real freedom and democracy is. You strike me as some Russian disinformation puke which I’ve already posted before.

Which means all you’re really here to do is cause as much chaos as possible.

So I couldn’t care less what you think…

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Posted: 07 August 2017 03:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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DougC said,
I don’t even think you’re American or have a clue what real freedom and democracy is. You strike me as some Russian disinformation puke which I’ve already posted before.

Which means all you’re really here to do is cause as much chaos as possible.

So I couldn’t care less what you think…

I could not agree more.

This person obviously has never read the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. One of the greatest living documents ever written.

p.s. From the link above

Not coincidentally, MSNBC also spends by far the least producing its news: some $240 million in 2012, according to an estimate by SNL Kagan.

Because it offers in-depth analysis on a few subjects of importance to the public. And they have an efficient model.

CNN spent $682 million.

they are indeed a large and balanced world-wide news organization.

while Fox led the pack with an outlay of $820 million.

Yep, the millionaires club, which spouts trash on the same subjects as MSNBC but with alternate truths and slanderous content.
Beltane, you and I don’t belong to that club, much as you want to be part of it. You’re just a pawn and will be discarded when you have done your dirty work, while the billionaires smoke their cigars in the ($200,000 membership) white man’s golf club. Yes Trump just increased his Mara Lago membership to 200,000. Neat deal for a President to make a profit on his influential government position.

But the separation of powers still holds by restricting Trumps dictatorial powers, in spite of the incomprehensible Citizens United ruling by SCOTUS.

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Posted: 07 August 2017 09:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Well said W4U.

The US is not perfect, but the potential for real freedom and an open and just society contained in the US Constitution still remains unchallenged by any other nation I think.

And the tradition of excellent and highly objective media in the US is still alive and well, it just has to compete with the hate filled rhetoric that is effectively being paid for by just a few Americans and others who want to re-pattern the US in their image.

The US has produced great journalists like Edward Murrow, Walter Cronkite, Bob Woodward, Robert MacNeil, Jim Lehrer and so many more who helped define what modern media is. That isn’t dead, that is alive and well.

Despite what people who clearly want to deceive and enslave others would like us to believe.

Even some of those on the right of the political spectrum understand the power of separation of government and real cooperation of elected members of Congress in the interests of the people like Senator John McCain.

He’s not talking about one way of thinking or living being allowed to dominate everyone in the US, He’s talking about real democracy being put to work in the interests of all Americans, not the nut job hot heads who want to destroy the nation. Or the takeover of the executive branch to feed the ego of someone who represents none of the real values that America is based on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyy6SPmbqJo

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Posted: 07 August 2017 08:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Write4U - 06 August 2017 05:13 PM
Beltane - 06 August 2017 04:58 PM
Write4U - 06 August 2017 12:04 AM

If I compare the objectivity in reporting and commentary of MSNBC with Fox News, the difference is stunning.
IMO, with the exception of PBS (a non-profit), MSNBC has the most knowledgeable and objective reporters and commentators.

MSNBC is clearly leftist.

Here’s an interesting study on MSNBC from Pew: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/#2b67f1995f8c

Define leftist and how this leads to telling lies? Is GW a “leftist issue”? I don’t hear much about that except denial from the “rightist” crowd.

I’m sure you know what leftist means; its a bias, and bias leads to inaccuracy.

And as far as offering opinions. The people offering opinions are knowledgeable on the subject. Is that a disqualifier?

Not necessarily, but if the content is mostly opinion - which MSNBC is - it becomes less reliable as a news source.

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Posted: 07 August 2017 09:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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DougC - 07 August 2017 12:59 AM
Beltane - 06 August 2017 04:42 PM

The transition already happened, and MSM has no place in the new media world.

The media has no place in the media world?

I don’t think I need to point out how meaningless that statement is.

Reread my post, I said MSM has no place in the new media world.

What you are really saying is as far as you’re concerned that like trump you are entirely opposed to media that you can’t control.

I can’t control any media, and neither can Trump.  Carlos Slim, Jeff Bezos, Ted Turner, and Brian Roberts are the people who can control media -  because they own it.

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Posted: 07 August 2017 10:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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DougC - 07 August 2017 12:59 AM

Show me where there are liberal commentators like Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck or Donald Trump himself. Trump for years lied about Barak Obama not even being American not because he had facts to back up his claims or that he was working in the interests of providing important information that could better inform citizens of the US in their interests.

Rachel Maddow
Keith Olberman
The Young Turks
Sally Kohn
Arianna Huffington
Ezra Klein

At best these individuals could be described as commentators who take their opinions serious

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Posted: 07 August 2017 10:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Beltane - 07 August 2017 08:50 PM
Write4U - 06 August 2017 05:13 PM
Beltane - 06 August 2017 04:58 PM
Write4U - 06 August 2017 12:04 AM

If I compare the objectivity in reporting and commentary of MSNBC with Fox News, the difference is stunning.
IMO, with the exception of PBS (a non-profit), MSNBC has the most knowledgeable and objective reporters and commentators.

MSNBC is clearly leftist.

Here’s an interesting study on MSNBC from Pew: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/#2b67f1995f8c

Ah Forbes is a reliable news source. By your definition it cannot be considered MSM, so would you call it ASM?

Define leftist and how this leads to telling lies? Is GW a “leftist issue”? I don’t hear much about that except denial from the “rightist” crowd.

I’m sure you know what leftist means; its a bias, and bias leads to inaccuracy.

So does ignorance of the issues as presented by the rightist bias.

And as far as offering opinions. The people offering opinions are knowledgeable on the subject. Is that a disqualifier?

Not necessarily, but if the content is mostly opinion - which MSNBC is - it becomes less reliable as a news source.

Not if the commentary is based on reliable and verifiable news stories. Or are you now telling me Trump’s tweets are unreliable news?  They are in public view, how reliable can the news be. It’s the reliability of the content of Trump’s news that’s is under scrutiny.

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Posted: 07 August 2017 10:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Write4U - 07 August 2017 10:24 PM
Beltane - 07 August 2017 08:50 PM
Write4U - 06 August 2017 05:13 PM
Beltane - 06 August 2017 04:58 PM
Write4U - 06 August 2017 12:04 AM

If I compare the objectivity in reporting and commentary of MSNBC with Fox News, the difference is stunning.
IMO, with the exception of PBS (a non-profit), MSNBC has the most knowledgeable and objective reporters and commentators.

MSNBC is clearly leftist.

Here’s an interesting study on MSNBC from Pew: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/#2b67f1995f8c

Ah Forbes is a reliable news source. By your definition it cannot be considered MSM, so would you call it ASM?

Define leftist and how this leads to telling lies? Is GW a “leftist issue”? I don’t hear much about that except denial from the “rightist” crowd.

I’m sure you know what leftist means; its a bias, and bias leads to inaccuracy.

So does ignorance of the issues as presented by the rightist bias.

And as far as offering opinions. The people offering opinions are knowledgeable on the subject. Is that a disqualifier?

Not necessarily, but if the content is mostly opinion - which MSNBC is - it becomes less reliable as a news source.

Not if the commentary is based on reliable and verifiable news stories. Or are you now telling me Trump’s tweets are unreliable news?  They are in public view, how reliable can the news be. It’s the reliability of the content of Trump’s news that’s is under scrutiny.

Commentary is inherently biased, it shouldn’t be a substitute for news.

Suit yourself anyway. I’m not interested in trying to convince anybody to watch some other junk media.


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