Can you help me debunk this?
Posted: 09 August 2017 09:17 AM   [ Ignore ]
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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fátima.

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Posted: 09 August 2017 09:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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you linked to a debunking site. you seem to be doing pretty well on your own.

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Posted: 09 August 2017 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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They don’t really debunk it as much as they analyze it.  the parts that I find the hardest to debunk it the second secret which says that (Russia will spread her errors throughout the word causing many wars
But at the end Russia will be converted and the world would enter a period of peace) Now Russia did spread communism throughout the world and the soviet union collapsed.

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Posted: 09 August 2017 03:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Jacob - 09 August 2017 11:04 AM

They don’t really debunk it as much as they analyze it.  the parts that I find the hardest to debunk it the second secret which says that (Russia will spread her errors throughout the word causing many wars
But at the end Russia will be converted and the world would enter a period of peace) Now Russia did spread communism throughout the world and the soviet union collapsed.

what wars has russia caused?

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Posted: 10 August 2017 01:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Jacob - 09 August 2017 11:04 AM

They don’t really debunk it as much as they analyze it.  the parts that I find the hardest to debunk it the second secret which says that (Russia will spread her errors throughout the word causing many wars
But at the end Russia will be converted and the world would enter a period of peace) Now Russia did spread communism throughout the world and the soviet union collapsed.

what wars has russia caused?

Ukraine.

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Posted: 10 August 2017 03:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Jacob - 09 August 2017 11:04 AM

They don’t really debunk it as much as they analyze it.  the parts that I find the hardest to debunk it the second secret which says that (Russia will spread her errors throughout the word causing many wars
But at the end Russia will be converted and the world would enter a period of peace) Now Russia did spread communism throughout the world and the soviet union collapsed.

what wars has russia caused?

Ukraine.

what war?

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Posted: 11 August 2017 12:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Jacob - 09 August 2017 11:04 AM

They don’t really debunk it as much as they analyze it.  the parts that I find the hardest to debunk it the second secret which says that (Russia will spread her errors throughout the word causing many wars
But at the end Russia will be converted and the world would enter a period of peace) Now Russia did spread communism throughout the world and the soviet union collapsed.

what wars has russia caused?

Ukraine.

what war?

Oh my.  long face

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Posted: 11 August 2017 12:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Jacob - 09 August 2017 11:04 AM

They don’t really debunk it as much as they analyze it.  the parts that I find the hardest to debunk it the second secret which says that (Russia will spread her errors throughout the word causing many wars
But at the end Russia will be converted and the world would enter a period of peace) Now Russia did spread communism throughout the world and the soviet union collapsed.

what wars has russia caused?

Ukraine.

what war?

Oh my.  long face

oh my what?? this

Russia will spread her errors throughout the world causing many wars

oh dear!!!

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Posted: 11 August 2017 06:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Jacob - 09 August 2017 11:04 AM

They don’t really debunk it as much as they analyze it.  the parts that I find the hardest to debunk it the second secret which says that (Russia will spread her errors throughout the word causing many wars
But at the end Russia will be converted and the world would enter a period of peace) Now Russia did spread communism throughout the world and the soviet union collapsed.

Why is it so important to you to “debunk” it?  Personally I’d settle for understanding it.

Read the prophecy more carefully.  It says, “If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church.”

Seems pretty straightforward to me.  It’s common practice to single out the Big Enemy of whatever time you live in and say, “Yep, one day they’ll see the error of their ways and they’ll bow down in submission…”  If I recall correctly, the Old Testament prophets used to say the same thing about Egypt and Babylon.

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Posted: 22 August 2017 07:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I can debunk in one paragraph.  The entire basis of the story is hearsay, the word of three children.  Any thing in the prediction that resembles reality is coincidence or informed by insight at best.  The consecration of Russia has not ushered in a period of world peace obviously.

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Posted: 22 August 2017 07:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Also most of this was already applied to WW2

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Posted: 23 August 2017 07:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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The children of Fatima supposedly saw the apparition in 1917. WW1 was already raging for 3 years. There had to have been plenty of talk by adults in their midst about Russia that they would have overheard. No doubt, they picked up someone’s prediction of what would happen after the war. It was an incorrect prediction, but no miracle, if that is what the children said. They simply put the words they overheard into the mouth of the Virgin Mary, conflating what they were being taught in church with things they overheard about the war. No doubt many people around them held that opinion about Russia at the time. Though Russia didn’t cause WWI or WWII, they were heavily involved in both, to say nothing of the cold war. This was a matter of kids being kids, and it was no miracle.

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Posted: 23 August 2017 07:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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^“like “.  We need a like button.

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Posted: 24 August 2017 11:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Not world peace, but the number of wars decreases significantly after the cold war.

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Posted: 08 October 2017 08:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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I should probably have pointed out more clearly that the prophecy was first revealed in 1941.

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