Turkey will stop teaching evolution in schools
Posted: 29 August 2017 09:06 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Turkey goes right down the drain, after showing a lot of promise

https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/23/turkey-will-stop-teaching-evolution-schools-education-ministry/amp/


A Washington Post article a few years back:

US Christians export anti-evolution arguments to Muslim world

 


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/07/AR2009110702233.html?hpid=topnews

Sema Ergezen teaches biology to Turkish students interested in teaching science themselves, and she has long struggled with her students’ ignorance of, and sometimes hostility to, the notion of evolution.

But she was taken aback when several of her Marmara University students recently accused her of being an atheist. “They said I was a liar if I called myself a Muslim because I also accepted evolution,” she said.

What especially disturbed—and amused—the veteran professor was that the arguments for creationism presented by some of the students came directly from the country where she was educated in the biological sciences—the United States.

“Why I’m so interested in seeing creationism succeed in Turkey is that evolution is an evil concept that has done such damage to society,” said John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research in Dallas, who has led several searches for Noah’s Ark in eastern Turkey. Members of his group have addressed Turkish conferences numerous times.


The Discovery Institute of Seattle, which researches and promotes intelligent design as an alternative to creationism and evolution, also sent speakers to Turkey after being invited by the Istanbul municipal government in 2007. President Bruce Chapman said the
institute helped bring Turkish evolution critic Mustafa Akyol to a 2005 Kansas school board hearing on teaching critiques of evolution.

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Posted: 30 August 2017 06:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Ataturk would be rolling over in his grave.  http://www.azquotes.com/author/16269-Mustafa_Kemal_Ataturk

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Posted: 30 August 2017 07:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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f’n unbelievable

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Posted: 01 September 2017 07:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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The devolution of turkeys?

Becoming too chicken to teach science.

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Posted: 13 November 2017 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Make sense, Just not long ago, they declared 40 historical land mark type of churches “Government Properties” after they kicked out or killed last Christians that used them. What does one expect from a criminal gangster state? Nothing good.
while here, they demand the right to practice “their religion” and while there, they kill those that practice others and steal their properties.

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Posted: 13 November 2017 03:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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BTW, did anyone see “Promise”? came out last year or even this?  a movie that related the 1916 1.6 million Armenian Genocide done by the Turks? A good movie.
You Atheists, if you think you’re safe with these scumbags, then you’re fools.

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Posted: 13 November 2017 04:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Turkey, or the Ottomans, have been more Islamic than Christian ever since the fall of Constantinople. This is not really a surprise that anti-evolution sentiment would be popular there just as it is in a lot of the rest of the Middle East. Even so, they are far more Westernized than their Arabic neighbors.

Besides, who are we to criticize when in the U.S. the current administration basically has taken the same stance?

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Posted: 23 November 2017 07:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Advocatus - 30 August 2017 06:46 AM

Ataturk would be rolling over in his grave.  http://www.azquotes.com/author/16269-Mustafa_Kemal_Ataturk

From first story

... The education ministry is also reportedly planning to scale back teaching about Mustafa Kemal Ataturk,
the founder of modern Turkey and avowed secularist.

Ataturk’s legacy holds an uneasy place in Mr Erdogan’s Turkey. His image still appears on posters and in statues across the country and
he is revered for having won Turkey’s independence.

But Mr Erdogan and his fellow religious conservatives have also unraveled much of the strictly secular system that he left behind,
arguing that it marginalised and discriminated against religious Muslims.

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Posted: 23 November 2017 07:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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So, the big question is why can’t anyone defend Evolution in a convincing manner?

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Posted: 23 November 2017 07:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I mean we these contrived arguments jam packed with lies, deceptions, omissions, etc.

and no one seems to have found stickies to expose that.

What gives?

What happened to the great intellectual enlightenment?

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Posted: 23 November 2017 08:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I see a lot of debates, where there seems a tacit acceptance of contrarian questions raised,
taking them serious, playing along for argument sake, so to speak.
The question is, how productive is it to entertain silly questions as though they were serious inquires?
Stop letting them set the tone of the debate.

I’m wondering if more focus on their deceptive debate practices and exposing that air of absolutism these people wrap themselves in is worth trying?

Dissecting tactics rather than being played by them,
is what I’m talking about.

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Define the Debate, A to Z

A Constructive Argument based on real facts, with the ultimate goal being a collective better understanding of the issue at hand. 

Such as a Scientific Debate where honestly representing your opponent’s position is required. 
Striving to understand your opponent’s position well enough to reject or modify it on the merits of your own facts. 

If we fail, it means something.  It may hurt, but it’s a learning experience for the intellectually honest. 
Mistakes have always been necessary learning opportunities for the stout.

Z Lawyerly Debate, winning is all that matters, facts are irrelevant obstacles to hurdle. 
Being skilled in rhetorical trickery is a prerequisite.  Objective learning is not the object.

Amorality, misdirection and theatre are its hallmarks.
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Intellectual Confrontation

The fact is, climate science awareness is being actively stifled by ruthless individuals with bottomless bank accounts
and octopus news outlets to do their bidding. 
They have sold a lazy public a pack of lies that have become the comfort zone of all too many today.

How can the misinformation this juggernaut force feeds the public be neutralized without direct intellectual confrontation
by masses of informed, concerned, engaged students, and citizens, everywhere it pops up?

It’s not about attacking people, it’s about attacking the maliciously deceptive words, the lies and stupidity they spew. 

It’s about teaching them how our physical planet operates!

A good resource for factual jump starts:
https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php?f=taxonomy

Focus.  Expose the dishonesty in their words and educate them.
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Call out False Claims & Lies

When someone makes a malicious false claim, relentlessly demand evidence for said attacks -
shame and expose those who refuse to produce evidence for their malicious claims. 

Examine and expose the props substituted for substance.

Focus.  Expose the dishonesty in their words and educate them.
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Better than Skepticism ===>  Critical Thinking Skills

The term “Skeptics” has been poisoned by theatre and the grotesque double standard of the GOP.

Critical Thinking Skills is a clear descriptive that explains the process itself.

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Confront Trash Talk with Rhetorical Jujutsu

Contrarians depend on personal attacks to distract the discussion from their bankrupt “science”.
Learn to recognize the game, turn it to your favor, be prepared to point out the juvenility of the tactic,
while forcing the discussion back to the real world facts your contrarian opponent won’t have.

google “Jujutsu”  ~  ~  ~

Food for Thought, turn the conversation into an exploration of the tactics of avoidance, evasion and lying.
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Where appropriate, why not point out Calumny in action? 
Be ready to define it:  https://dictionary.thelaw.com/calumny/
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/calumny

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I appreciate I’m just a freakster on the outside looking in,
still it’s pretty obvious that in general the “intellectual enlightenment” has been a disaster since special right-wing oligarch interests started setting up their “think tank” propaganda mills and ancillary media-mills - So I figure these musing are as good as anything those more educated types have been flaying (and losing) with.    long face

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Posted: 24 November 2017 10:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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hundreds of years from now Turkey will look back at this and laugh

best case scenario

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