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Posted: 01 September 2017 02:11 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Hello.

My name is Miro Kocur, i am from Bratislava, Slovak Republic.
(should be pronounced “kotsoor”, try at your own risk)

In last few years I found myself in arguing against religious discrimination versus heavy metal bands, festival promoters and other people involved in my country. Due these events I shifted from agnostic towards atheism.

There is a large difference being an atheist in USA and being an atheist in post-communist country. Even when Slovakia has 60% of citizens of catholic belief, there is still stigma of forceful atheism which was sign of conformism with communist regime. Some of self-styled humanists here in Bratislava openly defend ideas of non-democratic systems, or are affiliated with certain hoax-spreading media.
(Well, lets say there are people claiming that they are secular humanists, and atheists, while they dont have problem to spread anti-vax, chemtrails and many other hoaxes.)

I hope i might find out here how is humanism and atheism defined by people on this forum.

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Posted: 02 September 2017 01:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Offler - 01 September 2017 02:11 PM

Hello.

My name is Miro Kocur, i am from Bratislava, Slovak Republic.
(should be pronounced “kotsoor”, try at your own risk)

In last few years I found myself in arguing against religious discrimination versus heavy metal bands, festival promoters and other people involved in my country. Due these events I shifted from agnostic towards atheism.

There is a large difference being an atheist in USA and being an atheist in post-communist country. Even when Slovakia has 60% of citizens of catholic belief, there is still stigma of forceful atheism which was sign of conformism with communist regime. Some of self-styled humanists here in Bratislava openly defend ideas of non-democratic systems, or are affiliated with certain hoax-spreading media.
(Well, lets say there are people claiming that they are secular humanists, and atheists, while they dont have problem to spread anti-vax, chemtrails and many other hoaxes.)

I hope i might find out here how is humanism and atheism defined by people on this forum.

The first thing is that atheism is in no way related to agnosticism. Atheism is a position on belief. Agnosticism is a position on knowledge. They are completely unrelated conceots. You can be an atheist and an agnostic at the same time.

Welcome to the forum. You’ll be a good addition.

Lois

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Posted: 02 September 2017 02:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I’m not sure what the connection of religious discrimination, heavy metal, promoters, etc. has to do with each other but in any event, welcome and enjoy.

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Posted: 02 September 2017 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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deros - 02 September 2017 02:49 PM

I’m not sure what the connection of religious discrimination, heavy metal, promoters, etc. has to do with each other but in any event, welcome and enjoy.

Short to say… Christian politicians were pressing on police and office of prosecutor to ban metal festival and concert, because it is blasphemous (which is not a crime here). They pointed out that lyrics of the metal songs are real and not a fiction.

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Posted: 05 September 2017 06:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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That sounds like the sort of thing we went through in America in the 80’s and 90’s.  Good luck with that.

“Offler”?  Does that name come from Terry Pratchet, by any chance?  smile

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Posted: 05 September 2017 07:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Advocatus - 05 September 2017 06:29 AM

That sounds like the sort of thing we went through in America in the 80’s and 90’s.  Good luck with that.

“Offler”?  Does that name come from Terry Pratchet, by any chance?  smile

Yes, its from Terry Pratchett’s Discworld. I used that nick for few years on different forums many years ago.

I was fan of metal music since 2006. In 2014 there was first such attempt. I realized its in conflict with our laws and constitution. I slowly came to realization that what christian politicians wanted is suppression of free speech, luckily police and other officials were aware of that. That way i became an activist and later i found similar cases in USA (btw Speech of Dee Snyder to Pippa Gore is amazing to watch), and i found people like Pat Robertson. That way I got to James Randi and later to Christopher Hitchens.

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Posted: 23 October 2017 08:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Offler - 05 September 2017 07:18 AM

btw Speech of Dee Snyder to Pippa Gore is amazing to watch

The (possible) irony there is that Dee Snider was and still is quite a devout Christian.  But I agree his testimony was brilliant.

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Posted: 26 October 2017 01:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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LoisL - 02 September 2017 01:20 PM

The first thing is that atheism is in no way related to agnosticism. Atheism is a position on belief. Agnosticism is a position on knowledge. They are completely unrelated conceots. You can be an atheist and an agnostic at the same time.

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Lois

I never looked at it this way. Thank you for helping me realize that. Makes perfect sense.

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Posted: 07 November 2017 06:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Offler - 05 September 2017 07:18 AM

btw Speech of Dee Snyder to Pippa Gore is amazing to watch

The (possible) irony there is that Dee Snider was and still is quite a devout Christian.  But I agree his testimony was brilliant.

Its a common thing that members of metal bands have opposite stances to lyrics or the way how the performance appears to be.

Few examples = band Slayer, song Angel of Death. Band was accused of glorifying nazism. The context is important thing, as Tom Araya is from Chile. The band itself was accused of satanism - again lyrics. Again people are mistaking fiction and band performance with real life, as Tom Araya is catholic.

And of course Laibach. I still meet a lot of their fans, who happen to be far-right, not aware of their real political stance “D

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Posted: 07 November 2017 08:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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The standout example for me is Alice Cooper (of whom I’m a huge fan), whose stuff, including “Alice Cooper Goes to Hell”, is basically advertising for the “straight and narrow”.  (Even in “Blow Me a Kiss”, ostensibly about school shootings, he can’t resist throwing in a bit about making sure your soul’s in good shape before you meet your maker.)  And none other than Black Sabbath’s earlier songs (e.g., “War Pigs”, “Lord of This World”) are like Christianity 101—good people are saved and bad people go to hell.

Old-school headbanger that I am/was, I never was too familiar with Slayer.  Aren’t a lot of their lyrics pretty bluntly atheistic, or am I thinking of somebody else?

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