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Why is death not the “answer”?
Posted: 01 October 2017 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Buddhism doesn’t advocate suicide

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Posted: 01 October 2017 05:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Lausten - 01 October 2017 05:03 PM

I know what it means to be alive. Do you know what it means to be repetitive? Do you know it annoys the hell out of people?

You clearly don’t since you haven’t refuted my logic

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Posted: 01 October 2017 05:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Titanomachina - 01 October 2017 05:28 PM

Buddhism doesn’t advocate suicide

Maybe not, but it advocates non-existence.

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Posted: 01 October 2017 08:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Beltane - 01 October 2017 05:24 PM
Titanomachina - 01 October 2017 01:08 PM

But there is a reason to die. It frees one from wants and desires. In life an unmet desire is a source of suffering as long as it’s unmet, yet once you meet it the satisfaction is far too brief. To be free of the chasing of your wants and desires seems logical. When one is dead there is no need to experience anything good, no work to do. So long as one is alive, one “must” experience such things lest they face a certain kind of hell. Wants and desires are, ironically, reasons to die. Saying there isn’t a logical reason to die (apart from being incorrect) doesn’t negate that there isn’t one to live. That without any logical reason to live, death would be the correct choice. You are also spared any pain in the future, pain that is far more likely to occur than pleasure, which I have stated only matters to the living. In death you avoid pain and don’t need pleasure. It is the logical choice.

Sounds like you are a natural Buddhist.

Beltane - 01 October 2017 05:31 PM
Titanomachina - 01 October 2017 05:28 PM

Buddhism doesn’t advocate suicide

Maybe not, but it advocates non-existence.

Our lil Siddhartha.  Reiterations on a theme.

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Posted: 01 October 2017 08:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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oh yeah

Titanomachina - 30 September 2017 10:16 PM

It’s not exactly meaninglessness only that suicide seems to be a more logical choice than living life in the ultimatel analysis. As I said, you don’t need to having meaning or experience joy in death. All your needs and wants are taken away by death, therefor nullifying them as an excuse to keep living.

How about accepting that you are basically an animal and there are forces greater than yourself propelling you forward, no matter what the veneer of little gray cells tells you about how to spend that time..  Killing yourself gets you off the hook of running the “treadmill” - time stops.  But then again, some kinda like the treadmill, motion, breathing, touching, doing things, making things.  The big black sleep will come soon enough in any event.

It seems like you’re pissed off at life being what it is, seems like a waste of energy.
Others suggest it’s a better idea simply to figure out your dance partners steps and then go with the flow.

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Posted: 01 October 2017 08:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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I just thought of a little lullaby you might enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCRZZC-DH7M

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Posted: 02 October 2017 05:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Titanomachina - 01 October 2017 05:29 PM
Lausten - 01 October 2017 05:03 PM

I know what it means to be alive. Do you know what it means to be repetitive? Do you know it annoys the hell out of people?

You clearly don’t since you haven’t refuted my logic

You don’t understand logic. You have to establish your premises are true. You just repeat them.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 10:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Lausten - 30 September 2017 01:31 PM
LoisL - 30 September 2017 12:05 PM
Lausten - 30 September 2017 05:47 AM

You leave emotion out of your logic. Look up what a sound argument is. You can make a logical argument that leads to a wrong conclusion. Simply leave out certain data. People do this all the time to trick others, take their money, get their vote, even get them to kill or kill themselves.

Who are you responding to, Lausten? If you are responding to me, please explain your points in relation to my post.

Lois

Tita. See two posts up.

Ok. It would be helpful if you either quote the post you are respondong to or include the poster’s screen name in your reply. Replies do not always directly follow the original post and it can be confusing.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 11:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Here’s what I’m saying about your logic. Each of these is something you said yesterday, with a brief reply by me explaining why it isn’t “logic”.
But there is a reason to die. – Assertion.
It frees one from wants and desires. – A fact, but doesn’t lead to a conclusion.
In life an unmet desire is a source of suffering as long as it’s unmet, yet once you meet it the satisfaction is far too brief. – Opinion. Conclusion relies on the relative assessment of suffering vs satisfaction. That varies across people and throughout life.
To be free of the chasing of your wants and desires seems logical. – Repetition of assertion.
When one is dead there is no need to experience anything good, no work to do. – True, but leaves out other relevant data, like the pleasures of being alive.
So long as one is alive, one “must” experience such things lest they face a certain kind of hell. – True, being alive and not working for your own happiness is a type of hell.
Wants and desires are, ironically, reasons to die. – Jumped to a conclusion.
Saying there isn’t a logical reason to die (apart from being incorrect) doesn’t negate that there isn’t one to live. – Ignoring relevant data that has been presented to you in this forum.
That without any logical reason to live, death would be the correct choice. – You didn’t make a case for this assertion. In fact you subverted it by saying “satisfaction is far too brief”. So there are reasons, you just think it’s too much work to reach satisfaction.
You are also spared any pain in the future, pain that is far more likely to occur than pleasure, which I have stated only matters to the living. – Combining the ignoring of data and stating your opinion about the value of working toward your own happiness. Repetition.
In death you avoid pain and don’t need pleasure. – There is no “you” in death and no “needs”, so this just doesn’t make sense.
It is the logical choice. – Don’t see much logic here.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 05:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 01 October 2017 08:18 PM

oh yeah

Titanomachina - 30 September 2017 10:16 PM

It’s not exactly meaninglessness only that suicide seems to be a more logical choice than living life in the ultimatel analysis. As I said, you don’t need to having meaning or experience joy in death. All your needs and wants are taken away by death, therefor nullifying them as an excuse to keep living.

How about accepting that you are basically an animal and there are forces greater than yourself propelling you forward, no matter what the veneer of little gray cells tells you about how to spend that time..  Killing yourself gets you off the hook of running the “treadmill” - time stops.  But then again, some kinda like the treadmill, motion, breathing, touching, doing things, making things.  The big black sleep will come soon enough in any event.

It seems like you’re pissed off at life being what it is, seems like a waste of energy.
Others suggest it’s a better idea simply to figure out your dance partners steps and then go with the flow.

Life just seems far too long, too much time and not enough things to entertain oneself until they die. It’s like we have to fill the time with something, in that sense life seems more like a prison than an opportunity. Especially even more so given the meaningless nature of the universe and the crippling sense of nihilism that surrounds one upon the realization of that. There is no ultimate goal to life, we are just meat sacks wandering until we expire. What kind of existence is that? Why prolong such a cosmic joke?

It’s just seems like life is too long

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Posted: 02 October 2017 05:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Continuing from above:

Life just seems far too long, too much time and not enough things to entertain oneself until they die. - Comparative, subjective, your opinion, “seems”. Judgments, not data.
It’s like we have to fill the time with something, in that sense life seems more like a prison than an opportunity. - If you compare it to the excitement of a roller coaster ride, or a good half hour television show, sure, there times when you are not being entertained and stimulated.
Especially even more so given the meaningless nature of the universe and the crippling sense of nihilism that surrounds one upon the realization of that. - That the universe does not hand you meaning is not crippling for most people, even those who understand physics.
There is no ultimate goal to life, we are just meat sacks wandering until we expire. - So. Bald assertion. No conclusion.
What kind of existence is that? Why prolong such a cosmic joke? - Is this a rhetorical statement or are you asking?

It’s just seems like life is too long - To you.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 11:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Lausten - 02 October 2017 05:50 PM

Continuing from above:

Life just seems far too long, too much time and not enough things to entertain oneself until they die. - Comparative, subjective, your opinion, “seems”. Judgments, not data.
It’s like we have to fill the time with something, in that sense life seems more like a prison than an opportunity. - If you compare it to the excitement of a roller coaster ride, or a good half hour television show, sure, there times when you are not being entertained and stimulated.
Especially even more so given the meaningless nature of the universe and the crippling sense of nihilism that surrounds one upon the realization of that. - That the universe does not hand you meaning is not crippling for most people, even those who understand physics.
There is no ultimate goal to life, we are just meat sacks wandering until we expire. - So. Bald assertion. No conclusion.
What kind of existence is that? Why prolong such a cosmic joke? - Is this a rhetorical statement or are you asking?

It’s just seems like life is too long - To you.

It’s not an assertion, it’s fact. We are all just “wandering” around a rock chasing goals that only showcase our own sense of self importance. So we fill these years with things that really serve no biological purpose. Money, entertainment, just to pass time. We work until we are old, so we can make money, so that we can use the money on entertainment, food, and shelter. In modern western society, food and shelter are pretty much taken for granted, so we really use our extra money on entertainment. Games, television, vacations, just to take up time, until our inevitable demise.

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Posted: 03 October 2017 04:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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Titanomachina - 02 October 2017 11:09 PM

It’s not an assertion, it’s fact. We are all just “wandering” around a rock chasing goals that only showcase our own sense of self importance. So we fill these years with things that really serve no biological purpose.

I could even concede that your assertion is a fact, and your argument would still not meet the lowest bar of “logical”. It’s a fact that does not lead to your conclusion. You also make the logical error of saying we are “just”... You take one element of what it is to be human and you claim that is the most important one and the one that defines us and is the one that supports your conclusion. Funny that you mention biology, since there are many biological purposes for us, ask any biologist. But having a biological purpose has little to do with meaning. So that doesn’t fit in your logic either.

You have said recently, and said many times, that we have not refuted your logic. What I’ve shown in the last couple days is, you have no logic. You have some things about life you don’t like.

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Posted: 03 October 2017 12:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Death is inevitable which is what makes life so precious, only psychopaths want to rush death for others.

Which seems to be the main focus of the thread starter, if he thought his own life was meaningless he wouldn’t be here trying to convince others theirs are.

Psychopaths derive meaning in their lives by destroying meaning in others.

This is a person that proposes killing almost everyone else as a “solution”, you don’t see them talking about their own life being not worth living.

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/18689/

A solution to what, the fact that they simply don’t want to share the world with anyone else?

Pretty sure that is the definition of a full on psychopath.

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Posted: 03 October 2017 05:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Titanomachina - 02 October 2017 11:09 PM

It’s not an assertion, it’s fact. We are all just “wandering” around a rock chasing goals that only showcase our own sense of self importance. So we fill these years with things that really serve no biological purpose. Money, entertainment, just to pass time. We work until we are old, so we can make money, so that we can use the money on entertainment, food, and shelter. In modern western society, food and shelter are pretty much taken for granted, so we really use our extra money on entertainment. Games, television, vacations, just to take up time, until our inevitable demise.

That’s why we NEED a solid grounding in and appreciation for our planet’s evolution, life’s evolution, your body’s evolutions and our societys evolution - it’s important, it fills in a lot of those gaps.

Religions are okay for the human head game - but if you want to appreciate your place in reality - it is absolutely impossible unless you step outside our wonderful minds and onto the solid ground of this Earth under your feet.

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