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But to bring it back to the point of this thread. 
Trump trumpets himself as the best of everything with lavish praise, there was never a president who so obscenely hungered for affirmation, yet every step he’s insecure because he’s out of his depth and understands nothing, it’s like mikie saying the stupidest things about global warming yet believing he’s some authority we should listen to.

Guess I’m still trying to figure out what you folks like and trust about that trump guy.

It is really as basic as, the more trump pisses off the hated liberal, the happier his base will be?

Is it that Beltane?

Yes, seeing Trump make liberals cry is enjoyable, however I like Trump because he’s an unapologetic American nationalist.

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On the fringe? Please. Check out this from the Southern Poverty Law Center: https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

SPLC is a bullsh!t organization
that labels anyone they disagree with a “hate group”.

Nobody takes them seriously except disgruntled leftists.

Wow that sounds like something straight out of a shallow bigots mouth.
Please do explain what allows you to dismiss them outright.
Because they stand up to angry whites and have done so for a long long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

Please, explain.

This sums it up well. From that link:

The SPLC’s identification and listings of hate groups and extremists has been the subject of controversy. Critics of the SPLC say that it chooses its causes with funding and donations in mind,[95] and argue that people and groups designated as ‘hate groups’ are often targeted by protests that prevent them from speaking. The SPLC sometimes responds by reviewing its actions and removing people or organizations from hate listings, such as that of Ben Carson; however, it has stood behind the vast majority of its listings.[15][97][98]
Analyst of political fringe movements Laird Wilcox has said the SPLC had taken an incautious approach to assigning the labels “hate group” and “extremist”.[99] Mark Potok of Southern Poverty Law Center said Wilcox “had an ax to grind for a great many years” and engaged in name calling against others doing anti-racist work.[100]
In 2009, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) argued that allies of America’s Voice and Media Matters had used the SPLC designation of FAIR as a hate group to “engage in unsubstantiated, invidious name-calling, smearing millions of people in this movement.”[101] FAIR and its leadership have been criticized by the SPLC as being sympathetic to, or overtly supportive of, white supremacist and identitarian ideologies, as the group’s founder has stated his goal as ensuring that the United States remains a majority-white country.[102]
In 2010, a group of Republican politicians and conservative organizations criticized the SPLC in full-page advertisements in two Washington, D. C., newspapers for what they described as “character assassination” because the SPLC had listed the Family Research Council (FRC) as a hate group due to its “defaming of gays and lesbians”.[16][103]
In August 2012, a gunman entered the Washington, D.C. headquarters of the Family Research Council with the intent to kill its staff members and stuff Chick-fil-A sandwiches in their mouths. Corkins stated that he chose FRC as a target because it was listed as an anti-gay group on the SPLC’s website. A security guard was wounded but successfully stopped Corkins from shooting anyone. In the wake of the shooting, the SPLC was again criticized for listing FRC as an anti-gay hate group, including by liberal columnist Dana Milbank.[104] while others defended the categorization. The SPLC defended its listing of anti-gay hate groups, stating that the groups were selected not because of their religious views, but on their “propagation of known falsehoods about LGBT people… that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities…”[105]
In October 2014, the SPLC added Ben Carson to its extremist watch list, citing his association with groups it considers extreme, and his “linking of gays with pedophiles”.[106] Following criticism, the SPLC concluded its profile of Carson did not meet its standards, removed his listing, and apologized to him in February 2015.[107]
In October 2016, the SPLC published a list of “anti-Muslim extremists”, including British activist Maajid Nawaz and ex-Muslim activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The SPLC said that Nawaz appeared to be “more interested in self-promotion and money than in any particular ideological dispute”, identified what it said were gaps and inconsistencies in his backstory, rebuking his assertion that British universities had been infiltrated by radical Islamists.[108] Nawaz, who identifies as a “liberal, reform Muslim”, denounced the listing as a “smear”, saying that the SPLC listing had made him a target of jihadists.[109][110] Mark Potok of the SPLC responded, “Our point is not to make these people targets for violence… The point is to tamp down the really baseless targeting.”[111] The Lantos Foundation for Human Rights & Justice subsequently addressed a public letter to the SPLC (November 8, 2016) requesting a retraction of the listings.[112]
In August 2017, a defamation lawsuit was filed against the SPLC by the D. James Kennedy Ministries for describing it as an “active hate group” because of their views on LGBT rights.[113][114][115] The SPLC lists D. James Kennedy Ministries and its predecessor, Truth in Action, as anti-LGBT hate groups because of what the SPLC describes as the group’s history of spreading homophobic propaganda, including D. James Kennedy’s statement that “homosexuals prey on adolescent boys”, and false claims about the transmission of AIDS.[116]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center#Controversies_over_hate_group_and_extremist_listings

As I said, SPLC labels anybody they disagree with a hate group. And nobody in law enforcement/government takes them seriously because they’re blatantly ideologically motivated.

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On the fringe? Please. Check out this from the Southern Poverty Law Center: https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

SPLC is a bullsh!t organization
that labels anyone they disagree with a “hate group”.

Nobody takes them seriously except disgruntled leftists.

Wow that sounds like something straight out of a shallow bigots mouth.
Please do explain what allows you to dismiss them outright.
Because they stand up to angry whites and have done so for a long long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

Please, explain.

This sums it up well. From that link:

The SPLC’s identification and listings of hate groups and extremists has been the subject of controversy. Critics of the SPLC say that it chooses its causes with funding and donations in mind,[95] and argue that people and groups designated as ‘hate groups’ are often targeted by protests that prevent them from speaking. The SPLC sometimes responds by reviewing its actions and removing people or organizations from hate listings, such as that of Ben Carson; however, it has stood behind the vast majority of its listings.[15][97][98]
Analyst of political fringe movements Laird Wilcox has said the SPLC had taken an incautious approach to assigning the labels “hate group” and “extremist”.[99] Mark Potok of Southern Poverty Law Center said Wilcox “had an ax to grind for a great many years” and engaged in name calling against others doing anti-racist work.[100]
In 2009, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) argued that allies of America’s Voice and Media Matters had used the SPLC designation of FAIR as a hate group to “engage in unsubstantiated, invidious name-calling, smearing millions of people in this movement.”[101] FAIR and its leadership have been criticized by the SPLC as being sympathetic to, or overtly supportive of, white supremacist and identitarian ideologies, as the group’s founder has stated his goal as ensuring that the United States remains a majority-white country.[102]
In 2010, a group of Republican politicians and conservative organizations criticized the SPLC in full-page advertisements in two Washington, D. C., newspapers for what they described as “character assassination” because the SPLC had listed the Family Research Council (FRC) as a hate group due to its “defaming of gays and lesbians”.[16][103]
In August 2012, a gunman entered the Washington, D.C. headquarters of the Family Research Council with the intent to kill its staff members and stuff Chick-fil-A sandwiches in their mouths. Corkins stated that he chose FRC as a target because it was listed as an anti-gay group on the SPLC’s website. A security guard was wounded but successfully stopped Corkins from shooting anyone. In the wake of the shooting, the SPLC was again criticized for listing FRC as an anti-gay hate group, including by liberal columnist Dana Milbank.[104] while others defended the categorization. The SPLC defended its listing of anti-gay hate groups, stating that the groups were selected not because of their religious views, but on their “propagation of known falsehoods about LGBT people… that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities…”[105]
In October 2014, the SPLC added Ben Carson to its extremist watch list, citing his association with groups it considers extreme, and his “linking of gays with pedophiles”.[106] Following criticism, the SPLC concluded its profile of Carson did not meet its standards, removed his listing, and apologized to him in February 2015.[107]
In October 2016, the SPLC published a list of “anti-Muslim extremists”, including British activist Maajid Nawaz and ex-Muslim activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The SPLC said that Nawaz appeared to be “more interested in self-promotion and money than in any particular ideological dispute”, identified what it said were gaps and inconsistencies in his backstory, rebuking his assertion that British universities had been infiltrated by radical Islamists.[108] Nawaz, who identifies as a “liberal, reform Muslim”, denounced the listing as a “smear”, saying that the SPLC listing had made him a target of jihadists.[109][110] Mark Potok of the SPLC responded, “Our point is not to make these people targets for violence… The point is to tamp down the really baseless targeting.”[111] The Lantos Foundation for Human Rights & Justice subsequently addressed a public letter to the SPLC (November 8, 2016) requesting a retraction of the listings.[112]
In August 2017, a defamation lawsuit was filed against the SPLC by the D. James Kennedy Ministries for describing it as an “active hate group” because of their views on LGBT rights.[113][114][115] The SPLC lists D. James Kennedy Ministries and its predecessor, Truth in Action, as anti-LGBT hate groups because of what the SPLC describes as the group’s history of spreading homophobic propaganda, including D. James Kennedy’s statement that “homosexuals prey on adolescent boys”, and false claims about the transmission of AIDS.[116]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center#Controversies_over_hate_group_and_extremist_listings

As I said, SPLC labels anybody they disagree with a hate group. And nobody in law enforcement/government takes them seriously because they’re blatantly ideologically motivated.

Only a White Supremacist would say that, and you have proven it to be true, in spades.

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On the fringe? Please. Check out this from the Southern Poverty Law Center: https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

SPLC is a bullsh!t organization
that labels anyone they disagree with a “hate group”.

Nobody takes them seriously except disgruntled leftists.

Wow that sounds like something straight out of a shallow bigots mouth.
Please do explain what allows you to dismiss them outright.
Because they stand up to angry whites and have done so for a long long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

Please, explain.

This sums it up well. From that link:

The SPLC’s identification and listings of hate groups and extremists has been the subject of controversy. Critics of the SPLC say that it chooses its causes with funding and donations in mind,[95] and argue that people and groups designated as ‘hate groups’ are often targeted by protests that prevent them from speaking. The SPLC sometimes responds by reviewing its actions and removing people or organizations from hate listings, such as that of Ben Carson; however, it has stood behind the vast majority of its listings.[15][97][98]
Analyst of political fringe movements Laird Wilcox has said the SPLC had taken an incautious approach to assigning the labels “hate group” and “extremist”.[99] Mark Potok of Southern Poverty Law Center said Wilcox “had an ax to grind for a great many years” and engaged in name calling against others doing anti-racist work.[100]
In 2009, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) argued that allies of America’s Voice and Media Matters had used the SPLC designation of FAIR as a hate group to “engage in unsubstantiated, invidious name-calling, smearing millions of people in this movement.”[101] FAIR and its leadership have been criticized by the SPLC as being sympathetic to, or overtly supportive of, white supremacist and identitarian ideologies, as the group’s founder has stated his goal as ensuring that the United States remains a majority-white country.[102]
In 2010, a group of Republican politicians and conservative organizations criticized the SPLC in full-page advertisements in two Washington, D. C., newspapers for what they described as “character assassination” because the SPLC had listed the Family Research Council (FRC) as a hate group due to its “defaming of gays and lesbians”.[16][103]
In August 2012, a gunman entered the Washington, D.C. headquarters of the Family Research Council with the intent to kill its staff members and stuff Chick-fil-A sandwiches in their mouths. Corkins stated that he chose FRC as a target because it was listed as an anti-gay group on the SPLC’s website. A security guard was wounded but successfully stopped Corkins from shooting anyone. In the wake of the shooting, the SPLC was again criticized for listing FRC as an anti-gay hate group, including by liberal columnist Dana Milbank.[104] while others defended the categorization. The SPLC defended its listing of anti-gay hate groups, stating that the groups were selected not because of their religious views, but on their “propagation of known falsehoods about LGBT people… that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities…”[105]
In October 2014, the SPLC added Ben Carson to its extremist watch list, citing his association with groups it considers extreme, and his “linking of gays with pedophiles”.[106] Following criticism, the SPLC concluded its profile of Carson did not meet its standards, removed his listing, and apologized to him in February 2015.[107]
In October 2016, the SPLC published a list of “anti-Muslim extremists”, including British activist Maajid Nawaz and ex-Muslim activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The SPLC said that Nawaz appeared to be “more interested in self-promotion and money than in any particular ideological dispute”, identified what it said were gaps and inconsistencies in his backstory, rebuking his assertion that British universities had been infiltrated by radical Islamists.[108] Nawaz, who identifies as a “liberal, reform Muslim”, denounced the listing as a “smear”, saying that the SPLC listing had made him a target of jihadists.[109][110] Mark Potok of the SPLC responded, “Our point is not to make these people targets for violence… The point is to tamp down the really baseless targeting.”[111] The Lantos Foundation for Human Rights & Justice subsequently addressed a public letter to the SPLC (November 8, 2016) requesting a retraction of the listings.[112]
In August 2017, a defamation lawsuit was filed against the SPLC by the D. James Kennedy Ministries for describing it as an “active hate group” because of their views on LGBT rights.[113][114][115] The SPLC lists D. James Kennedy Ministries and its predecessor, Truth in Action, as anti-LGBT hate groups because of what the SPLC describes as the group’s history of spreading homophobic propaganda, including D. James Kennedy’s statement that “homosexuals prey on adolescent boys”, and false claims about the transmission of AIDS.[116]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center#Controversies_over_hate_group_and_extremist_listings

As I said, SPLC labels anybody they disagree with a hate group. And nobody in law enforcement/government takes them seriously because they’re blatantly ideologically motivated.

Only a White Supremacist would say that, and you have proven it to be true, in spades.

Enough with the anti-black insults.

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But to bring it back to the point of this thread. 
Trump trumpets himself as the best of everything with lavish praise, there was never a president who so obscenely hungered for affirmation, yet every step he’s insecure because he’s out of his depth and understands nothing, it’s like mikie saying the stupidest things about global warming yet believing he’s some authority we should listen to.

Guess I’m still trying to figure out what you folks like and trust about that trump guy.

It is really as basic as, the more trump pisses off the hated liberal, the happier his base will be?

Is it that Beltane?

Yes, seeing Trump make liberals cry is enjoyable, however I like Trump because he’s an unapologetic American nationalist.

American Nationalist
LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  Boy that really invite some ...... .
American Nationalist, a one dimensional dweeb who’s a fuking gold plated Russian Obligate and international oligarch wanna be -
That is your national hero.  Amazing.  Man I wish you’d help explain what’s going on inside your head. 
One liners more focused on being cute than explanation don’t help one bit.

I wonder Beltran are you capable of rationally defining what an American Nationalist even is???

Oh and yeah your prez is a classy dude too.  One to emulate: “For the 100th time, I never ‘mocked’ a disabled reporter (would never do that) but simply showed him … ‘groveling’ when he totally changed a 16 year old story that he had written in order to make me look bad. Just more very dishonest media,” President Trump tweeted in January.”  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

Is being an American National mean it’s okay to lie nonstop and to disregard demonstrable facts?

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But to bring it back to the point of this thread. 
Trump trumpets himself as the best of everything with lavish praise, there was never a president who so obscenely hungered for affirmation, yet every step he’s insecure because he’s out of his depth and understands nothing, it’s like mikie saying the stupidest things about global warming yet believing he’s some authority we should listen to.

Guess I’m still trying to figure out what you folks like and trust about that trump guy.

It is really as basic as, the more trump pisses off the hated liberal, the happier his base will be?

Is it that Beltane?

Yes, seeing Trump make liberals cry is enjoyable, however I like Trump because he’s an unapologetic American nationalist.

American Nationalist
LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  Boy that really invite some ...... .
American Nationalist, a one dimensional dweeb who’s a fuking gold plated Russian Obligate and international oligarch wanna be -
That is your national hero.  Amazing.  Man I wish you’d help explain what’s going on inside your head. 
One liners more focused on being cute than explanation don’t help one bit.

Well, since none of this is correct, I don’t feel my respect is misplaced.

I wonder Beltran are you capable of rationally defining what an American Nationalist even is???

Its a person who supports American populism in opposition to globalism.

Oh and yeah your prez is a classy dude too.  One to emulate: “For the 100th time, I never ‘mocked’ a disabled reporter (would never do that) but simply showed him … ‘groveling’ when he totally changed a 16 year old story that he had written in order to make me look bad. Just more very dishonest media,” President Trump tweeted in January.”  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

Who cares.

Is being an American National mean it’s okay to lie nonstop and to disregard demonstrable facts?

Yes, if its necessary to win. Fortunately, Trump hasn’t had to do that.

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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 03 October 2017 06:56 PM

But to bring it back to the point of this thread. 
Trump trumpets himself as the best of everything with lavish praise, there was never a president who so obscenely hungered for affirmation, yet every step he’s insecure because he’s out of his depth and understands nothing, it’s like mikie saying the stupidest things about global warming yet believing he’s some authority we should listen to.
Guess I’m still trying to figure out what you folks like and trust about that trump guy.
It is really as basic as, the more trump pisses off the hated liberal, the happier his base will be?
Is it that Beltane?

Yes, seeing Trump make liberals cry is enjoyable, however I like Trump because he’s an unapologetic American nationalist.

American Nationalist
LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  Boy that really invite some ...... .
American Nationalist, a one dimensional character who’s a fuking gold plated Russian Obligate and international oligarch wanna be -
That is your national hero.  Amazing.  Man I wish you’d help explain what’s going on inside your head. 
One liners more focused on being cute than explanation don’t help one bit.

Well, since none of this is correct, I don’t feel my respect is misplaced. {... and he responds with a one-liner.}

None of it is correct?
Trump’s extensive business entanglements with Russian nationals, including a surprising number of men with criminal backgrounds and such?
That trump’s political career is based on lies, character assassinations, birther bs comes to mind plus . . .  (some folks have been keeping track.)

T r u m p ’ s   L i e s
By DAVID LEONHARDT and STUART A. THOMPSON UPDATED July 21, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

Donald Trump’s file
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Hate the source, the incidents and quotes really did happen.

Beltane is it that basic fidelity to the truth doesn’t matter any more?

I wonder Beltane can you define what an American Nationalist?

Its a person who supports American populism in opposition to globalism.

That doesn’t help much,
American Populism?  What the heck is that?  Folks keep bouncing around the term but no one defines it?
Growing up I learned that we, Americans were the global melting pot, where peoples from all nations could live together like no where else.
opposition to globalism
When I look at America’s history it’s all about globalization from the Columbian Exchange onward,

http://public.gettysburg.edu/~tshannon/hist106web/site19/
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/american-indians/essays/columbian-exchange

... and its never slowed down. 

It’s part of the American fiber, but you hate that?

Can you justify your resentment of globalization?
Incidentally, how do you feel towards family planning, birth control, abortion rights?
~~~
Who cares if trump uses mockery as a stage prop?  Belittling others, self adulation, bullying.  Who cares if trump uses bankruptcy as a business strategy, no matter that it screws many regular honest Americans of their due payments, for services or supplies rendered.  Seems to me such stunts are contemptible, ...  But, in your new world that’s okay, single minded focus on winning and maximizing power and profit, that’s where it’s at., ?

Is being an American National mean it’s okay to lie nonstop and to disregard demonstrable facts?

Yes, if its necessary to win.
Thus spake the totalitarian, intoxicated with self-certainty and disregard for others.

Fortunately, Trump hasn’t had to do that.

His twitters certainly do. downer
His Administration is an ongoing tragedy for America, ...      no time to go there,

For a glimpse into the fire hose onslaught:
https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday .com

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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 03 October 2017 06:56 PM

But to bring it back to the point of this thread. 
Trump trumpets himself as the best of everything with lavish praise, there was never a president who so obscenely hungered for affirmation, yet every step he’s insecure because he’s out of his depth and understands nothing, it’s like mikie saying the stupidest things about global warming yet believing he’s some authority we should listen to.
Guess I’m still trying to figure out what you folks like and trust about that trump guy.
It is really as basic as, the more trump pisses off the hated liberal, the happier his base will be?
Is it that Beltane?

Yes, seeing Trump make liberals cry is enjoyable, however I like Trump because he’s an unapologetic American nationalist.

American Nationalist
LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  Boy that really invite some ...... .
American Nationalist, a one dimensional character who’s a fuking gold plated Russian Obligate and international oligarch wanna be -
That is your national hero.  Amazing.  Man I wish you’d help explain what’s going on inside your head. 
One liners more focused on being cute than explanation don’t help one bit.

Well, since none of this is correct, I don’t feel my respect is misplaced. {... and he responds with a one-liner.}

None of it is correct?
Trump’s extensive business entanglements with Russian nationals, including a surprising number of men with criminal backgrounds and such?

So what. Its not illegal, nor are Russians our enemy.

That trump’s political career is based on lies, character assassinations, birther bs comes to mind plus . . .  (some folks have been keeping track.)

T r u m p ’ s   L i e s
By DAVID LEONHARDT and STUART A. THOMPSON UPDATED July 21, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

Donald Trump’s file
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Hate the source, the incidents and quotes really did happen.

Liberal nitpicking over small fry.

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I wonder Beltane can you define what an American Nationalist?

Its a person who supports American populism in opposition to globalism.

That doesn’t help much,
American Populism?  What the heck is that?  Folks keep bouncing around the term but no one defines it?

https://www.britannica.com/topic/populism

Populism, political program or movement that champions the common person, usually by favourable contrast with an elite.

Just add “American” in front of that and its easy to understand.

Growing up I learned that we, Americans were the global melting pot, where peoples from all nations could live together like no where else.
opposition to globalism
When I look at America’s history it’s all about globalization from the Columbian Exchange onward,

http://public.gettysburg.edu/~tshannon/hist106web/site19/
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/american-indians/essays/columbian-exchange

... and its never slowed down. 

It’s part of the American fiber, but you hate that?

Can you justify your resentment of globalization?

LOL Globalization isn’t “diversity”.

Its an economic system which amounts to a worldwide corporation run by a few technocratic managers. It is totally destructive to the American middle class.

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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 02 October 2017 07:29 AM

kkk

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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 01 October 2017 10:07 AM

Step back and think about all this white supremacist chest beating and such, I gotta wonder what the hell is going on.
If this is the best the white race has to offer, we really and truly are lost and shall be crushed by reality and history.

What are you talking about?

Well, just like our president, white supremacist think they are oh soo superior to others - I’m asking what the heck makes them superior?
They think, talk and act like juvenile punks respectable people wouldn’t have anything to do with - without first teaching them some manners,
for starters.

Youz (die hard trump supporters I’d put into that group) totally trash a guy with the brains and dignity of Obama,
I’m mean it’s not his policies you disagree with, youz people down right hate the man and all he accomplished.

Now you embrace this disgusting adolescent bully trump with his nonstop chirps like a damn mockingbird in the middle of the night.
A man who could care less about anyone but himself and his group.  A man who’s better at mocking then explaining.

Tweets, yippee, make amerika great again.  sick

Back to this White Equality Movement - is that what you’d call it Beltane?
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it seems like it’s all about resenting other people and ignoring the history that got us here
and totally ignoring the supposed premise of this country that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.
Hey Beltane out of curiosity how do you fell about woman’s right and equal pay and respecting a woman boss and such?

I’m simply curious what are the good quality of this White Firsters thing? 
If you could help explain any of the mystery I’d appreciate it.

A lot here, but to begin with, there’s no white supremacy movement to speak of because white supremacists are a very small group of isolated weirdos on the fringe of society. The only reason most people even know about it is because they have an online presence. What’s more important is white supremacist has basically become a catch-all term for any non-liberal white person. (same goes with “Nazi”)

Some might point to the so called “altright” as proof of White Supremacy becoming more popular, but this is inaccurate. Altright just means anybody who is tired of both modern liberalism and mainstream conservatism - there’s no core ideology tying it together. It is true the altright played a role in getting Trump elected, but Trump isn’t altright himself, nor is he a white supremacist.

Obama is far in the rear view mirror now, the right isn’t talking about him at all. My take on Obama: he didn’t seem to live up to anyone’s expectations of him and will probably be remembered as a business-as-usual president who was elected because he was half black.

Hey Beltane out of curiosity how do you fell about woman’s right and equal pay and respecting a woman boss and such?

I agree with some women’s rights, disagree with others.

How about men’s rights? Which of those do you disagree with?

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But to bring it back to the point of this thread. 
Trump trumpets himself as the best of everything with lavish praise, there was never a president who so obscenely hungered for affirmation, yet every step he’s insecure because he’s out of his depth and understands nothing, it’s like mikie saying the stupidest things about global warming yet believing he’s some authority we should listen to.

Guess I’m still trying to figure out what you folks like and trust about that trump guy.

It is really as basic as, the more trump pisses off the hated liberal, the happier his base will be?

Is it that Beltane?

Yes, seeing Trump make liberals cry is enjoyable, however I like Trump because he’s an unapologetic American nationalist.

American Nationalist
LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  Boy that really invite some ...... .
American Nationalist, a one dimensional dweeb who’s a fuking gold plated Russian Obligate and international oligarch wanna be -
That is your national hero.  Amazing.  Man I wish you’d help explain what’s going on inside your head. 
One liners more focused on being cute than explanation don’t help one bit.

Well, since none of this is correct, I don’t feel my respect is misplaced.

I wonder Beltran are you capable of rationally defining what an American Nationalist even is???

Its a person who supports American populism in opposition to globalism.

Oh and yeah your prez is a classy dude too.  One to emulate: “For the 100th time, I never ‘mocked’ a disabled reporter (would never do that) but simply showed him … ‘groveling’ when he totally changed a 16 year old story that he had written in order to make me look bad. Just more very dishonest media,” President Trump tweeted in January.”  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

Who cares.

Is being an American National mean it’s okay to lie nonstop and to disregard demonstrable facts?

Yes, if its necessary to win. Fortunately, Trump hasn’t had to do that.


HAHAHAHAHAHA.  You’re funny.

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