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US needs sane gun laws NOW!
Posted: 02 October 2017 12:17 PM   [ Ignore ]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html

A “crazed lunatic” turned an outdoor concert into a bloodbath, killing 58 people in what is now the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history.
Thousands of country music fans ran for cover Sunday night as a gunman fired hundreds of bullets at them from a hotel on the Las Vegas Strip, officials said.
At least 515 people were hurt in the gunfire and ensuing stampede at the Jason Aldean concert, police said.

One lunatic killed 58 people and wounded 515, go ahead and tell us that US gun laws protect Americans.

The only way for ANY US citizens to be safe now is if they wore full level III body armor any time they were out in public and lived in fortified homes. Even if all those people in the concert were heavily armed many would still have been killed or wounded before they could have taken out this insane fuck who just murdered 58 people and wounded 515 and traumatized thousands for life.

The way the US gun industry and it’s astro-turf lobby arm the NRA demand the 2nd Amendment be applied turns the entire US into a war zone.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 01:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Here’s why US gun laws as are being applied as a result of the demands of the gun industry are insane and won’t ever work.

The claim is that Americans need free access to guns to protect themselves.

And who do they need these guns to protect themselves from?

Americans with free access to guns.

It’s a fundamental paradox that makes billions of dollars for US gun manufacturers every year and kills thousands of Americans every year.

Can you imagine what it would have been like for someone at that concert. One moment you’re sitting there enjoying music and the next a bullet goes through your heart. Some people probably never even heard the super-sonic projectile that killed them, they were dead before the sound ever got there. For others the first thing that let you know that something was insanely wrong was your wife’s head blowing off, then the utter chaos of thousands of people running for their lives as the sound of the incoming fire finally reached them and more and more people were dropping. 58 will never get up again and over 500 will have permanent injuries and scars. For everyone there, there will be psychic wounds that will never completely go away and a significant proportion will have PTSD which will likely result in the deaths of even more in coming years.

If it sounds like a scene from a battlefield that’s because that’s exactly what Las Vegas was turned into. All courtesy of Wayne Lapierre and the pieces of shit in the gun industry who pay him to make sure there will be no effective laws passed in the US that protect the general public from people who lack the mental and emotional capacity to own and use deadly weapons.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 01:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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He did nothing illegal until he pulled the trigger. Nothing that the police could do anything about anyway. Think about that. His actions were premeditated, but I haven’t heard anything yet about a website or a manifesto, so he’s probably not a terrorist. We can’t prevent this kind of situation without changing gun laws, which wouldn’t be hard, or changing how we deal with mental health, which would be extremely hard.

The majority of people want some kind of restrictions on gun ownership, but we have people in congress who were elected by a minority. This is due to the level of money allowed in politics. We’re working on changing these things, but they are going to take time and meanwhile, people are going to die.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 02:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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It’s an obscene situation, Wayne Lapierre has taken over the NRA and turned into a lobbyist firm for the gun manufacturers which means they are setting gun policy in the US not the voters.

Lapierre is living a millionaire lifestyle all so that thousands of Americans are killed a year and everybody else gets to live in constant fear of the tiny minority that have no rational reason to be in possession of deadly weapons.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danbigman/2012/12/21/what-the-nras-wayne-lapierre-gets-paid-to-defend-guns/#4a91da2b16d6

If you’re a transparency fan like me, you appreciate knowing what kind of skin public people have in the game during episodes like this. So what did the NRA pay Lapierre to say that the best way to stop school shootings is to have the government put every mentally ill person in the nation on a watch list and arm school personnel to defend schools like banks?

Just under a million bucks.

If people want to own guns they should first be screened to show they do not have a criminal background, everyone should be required to take a safe gun handling and storage course and anyone with mental conditions that makes them a danger to themselves and others should be prevented from buying or owning guns.

This idea that just being American makes someone safe to own and used is disproved thousands of times every year, this is just the most deadly and traumatizing example of this insane policy of allowing virtually anyone to own and use guns in the US.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 04:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Here’s an idea, how about the US declare the NRA a terrorist organization.

They prevent the rule of law by making it not just possible but easy for the lunatic fringe in the country to enact their desire to take out as many other Americans as possible by blocking rational gun laws.

There’s also spokespersons for the NRA who advocate such insane things as North Korea nuking California instead of Guam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQwkJd0S3MM

Then go nuts when anyone refers to guns as weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lobZhus6bAk

The far right in the US is insane whether it’s Rush Limbaugh claiming that hurricanes are fake news to this idiot claiming that guns aren’t weapons.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 05:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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But don’t worry America, you’ve got a Congress that is there to represent your interests and protect you and this issue has been around for decades. Surely the republican dominted Congress has something in the works to solve this deadly issue.

http://time.com/4965056/las-vegas-shooting-gun-silencer-bill/

In the wake of the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, advocates of stricter gun control are criticizing a Republican bill to make it easier to buy silencers.

As news still trickled in about the Sunday night’s shooting at Route 91 Harvest Festival at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was one of a number of gun control supporters who raised concerns about the proposed legislation.

“The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots,” she tweeted on Monday morning. “Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer.”

What… the… F….

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Posted: 02 October 2017 07:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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If you held a lottery and shot the 80 daily “winners” it would have the same effect gun violence has in the US now.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 07:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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In case anyone wonders what it’s like to be a victim of one of these mass shootings;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI8fawQd2aE

Guns don’t kill people, Wayne Lapierre, the NRA and US gun manufacturers with the assistance of the republican party kill people.

Once again, the congressional republican response to the ongoing carnage in the US is to make it easier to buy silencers. They are clearly on the side of the murderers not the victims.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 07:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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DougC.V2 - 02 October 2017 02:08 PM

If people want to own guns they should first be screened to show they do not have a criminal background, everyone should be required to take a safe gun handling and storage course and anyone with mental conditions that makes them a danger to themselves and others should be prevented from buying or owning guns.

This idea that just being American makes someone safe to own and used is disproved thousands of times every year, this is just the most deadly and traumatizing example of this insane policy of allowing virtually anyone to own and use guns in the US.

Nobody has that idea, that’s why we already have a system in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System

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Posted: 02 October 2017 08:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Beltane - 02 October 2017 07:47 PM

Nobody has that idea, that’s why we already have a system in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System

How the hell would you know, you’re not even American…

And there is no effective system of gun control in America, watch the video you pathetic troll, the asshole that blew 59 people away and wounded over 500 more some of which will also likely die had 20 guns with him and an automatic weapon that he burned through clip after clip with.

It was a war zone in Las Vegas and it remains one across the US as long as insane lobby groups like the NRA are allowed to dictate gun laws through their pets the republicans.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 08:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Why there’s no real gun control in America right now.

https://mic.com/articles/127842/this-is-how-chicago-gets-flooded-with-illegal-guns#.o6ex2SiPn

Q: Where do you get an illegal firearm?

A: From someplace where it’s legal.

A new report from the Trace, a Michael Bloomberg-backed media organization seeking to resolve the roots of gun violence across the United States, sheds further light on the “apparent paradox” of Chicago’s consistently high rates of shootings despite the city boasting some of the country’s strictest gun laws.

In 2014, Chicago saw 390 murders and more than 2,500 shootings, adding to its reputation as one of the U.S. cities with the highest absolute numbers of shootings and killings (though not when adjusted for population). Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy blamed the city’s epidemic of violence on the widespread availability of guns. “If these guys [were] throwing rocks at each other we wouldn’t have this problem,” McCarthy told the Chicago Tribune (paywall).

Gun-rights supporters often point to Chicago’s endemic violence as evidence that gun control doesn’t work. But the Trace’s investigation suggests the real problem is the lax gun laws everywhere else.

Citing Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives data — which shows that approximately 60% of guns used in crimes across Illinois came from out of state — the Trace built an infographic demonstrating just how many guns flow into the city from states with less restrictive gun laws.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/09/459053141/straw-buyers-of-guns-break-the-law-and-often-get-away-with-it

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

America is an exceptional country when it comes to guns. It’s one of the few countries in which the right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. But America’s relationship with guns is unique in another crucial way: Among developed nations, the US is far and away the most violent — in large part due to the easy access many Americans have to firearms. These charts and maps show what that violence looks like compared with the rest of the world, why it happens, and why it’s such a tough problem to fix.

It’s a very simple equation, countries with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths. Canada with much more effective guns laws has 5 gun deaths per 1 million people. The US with extremely lax gun laws has 30.

States with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths, the suicide rate in states with fewer guns is less and on and on. Guns kill that’s what they’re designed for, they’re not toys, they’re not tools, they’re not a way for people to seek vengeance outside the law which they are commonly used for in the US.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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How the Las Vegas shooter may have got a fully automatic weapon or a device that turned a semi-automatic rifle like an AR-15 into a nearly fully automatic weapon.

https://www.wired.com/story/las-vegas-shooting-automatic-rifle/

One of the easiest, and a leading theory among gun experts speculating about the shooter’s weapons, is a so-called “hellfire trigger,” or “gat crank”: A simple device bolted to an AR-15’s trigger well can allow anyone to fire their semi-automatic by turning a rotary crank, firing several shots with every rotation. That can allow a shooter to easily fire hundreds of rounds a minute, compared to the 80 or 100 shots or so the average shooter could manage with normal trigger squeezes. Though that rate of fire would no doubt overheat a normal AR-15, the shooter reportedly had 19 rifles in his hotel room, potentially making it possible to swap a new one in as needed.

Another easy add-on that transforms a semi-automatic rifle to a virtually automatic one is a so-called “slide fire,” or “bump” stock. That device adds a spring mechanism to the part of the rifle that presses into a shooter’s shoulder, so that the entire rifle bounces forward with every detonation of a round of ammunition. The shooter merely holds his or her trigger finger in place, and that bouncing pulls the trigger again and again at a rate that approximates machine gun fire, as shown in this slow motion video:

Although gat cranks and bump stocks turn AR-15s and AK-47s into functionally automatic rifles, they’re not clearly illegal. While automatic weapons have been banned in the US since 1986, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms only considers a gun to be automatic if a single pull of its trigger results in a multiple rounds being fired. The bump stock does in fact pull the rifle’s trigger with every shot. The gat crank doesn’t involve pulling a trigger at all, leaving it in a more legally murky realm that hasn’t stopped the devices from being widely sold.

But for anyone willing to simply break the law, converting a semi-automatic AR-15 to a full-fledged automatic weapon isn’t hard, says Defense Distributed’s Sullivan. An automatic rifle uses a tiny component in its trigger assembly called an “auto sear”. That key piece of metal catches the rifle’s hammer after every round’s explosion, when the expanding gases inside the gun’s chamber propel the bullet out the barrel, and push the bolt back to pick up another round from the gun’s magazine. When the bolt hits a spring in the gun’s stock and bounces forward again, it releases the hammer to hit the gun’s firing pin, without any interaction with the trigger, as shown in the video below:

With just a hand drill, a drill press, or a computer-controlled milling machine, anyone can drill a few holes and also widen the cavity inside an AR-15’s frame, Sullivan says. That way, it can accept an M16 auto-sear, available for sale online, giving a semi-automatic rifle a fully automatic firing mechanism. “It’s about four minutes of work, and it’s exceptionally easy to do,” says Sullivan. That resulting homemade automatic rifle is also highly illegal, with penalties of hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines, and years in prison, for simply possessing it.

There are over 5 million AR-15s in civilian hands in the US and with the right parts and tools available online they can be turned into fully automatic weapons comparable to the military M-16 in 5 minutes.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 10:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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DougC.V2 - 02 October 2017 08:08 PM
Beltane - 02 October 2017 07:47 PM

Nobody has that idea, that’s why we already have a system in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System

How the hell would you know, you’re not even American…

Well, even here at KGB hq, I can look up relevant information.

And there is no effective system of gun control in America, watch the video you pathetic troll, the asshole that blew 59 people away and wounded over 500 more some of which will also likely die had 20 guns with him and an automatic weapon that he burned through clip after clip with.

It was a war zone in Las Vegas and it remains one across the US as long as insane lobby groups like the NRA are allowed to dictate gun laws through their pets the republicans.

Incorrect.

Gun control is effective in America, the problem is that its impossible to tell when someone might snap.

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Posted: 02 October 2017 10:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Go away troll, this aint a game…

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Posted: 03 October 2017 12:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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The raw numbers say it all, it doesn’t matter what the NRA, the republicans or the gun industry claims.

America has 4.4% of the world’s population.

It has 40% of the domestic guns.

It has the highest rate of gun deaths of any developed nation.

6 times that of Canada.

16 times that of Germany.

About 30,000 Americans are killed by guns each year, that’s a Vietnam war every two years.

About 2/3s are suicides.

People who attempt suicide by cutting are “successful” 5% of the time, 7.4% with poison. People who attempt suicide with a gun kill themselves 96.5 % of the time.

Any idiot could see that guns are in fact deadly and that gun control actually prevents violent death it doesn’t increase it. And that requires federal gun control, as they’ve found in Chicago and other places local gun control does nothing to prevent gun deaths. People just bring in guns from other cities and states.

It’s time to end this bloody war on the US population by the gun industry.

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Posted: 03 October 2017 04:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Though I have never been a “fan” of the Second Amendment I have supported it because I have always feared the possible consequences in changing our constitution.  That being said, I will no longer support the Second Amendment as written.

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