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Here’s a clear eyed take on our current crisis of awareness, it’s worth considering.

Trump’s Road to 2024

Roger Cohen - OCT. 20, 2017


PHOENIX — There are now two definitions of truth in the United States. The first is that a truthful statement is one that conforms to facts or reality.
By this standard, President Trump is a serial liar.

The second is that truth is “telling it like it is,” or speaking in a direct, unvarnished way without regard to political correctness or the offense it may give.
By this measure, for millions of supporters, Trump is the most honest president ever.

The United States has already become a post-truth society. Telling it like it isn’t has become a form of truth. That’s a nation in which chaos is more plausible
because the ability to make rational decisions is diminished. Signal and noise can no longer be distinguished.

The center, where it was long held that elections are won, evaporates. Violence becomes more likely because incomprehension grows across hardening lines of fracture.
It may well be that elections, as with the last presidential race, are now won at the extremes. ...

Those nerves still tingle. Nine months into the presidency, the support of Trump’s base remains fervid. I am often asked whether I believe that Trump will be impeached.
I’ve taken to responding that it’s more likely he’ll be a two-term president. I’d put the chances of impeachment at under 10 percent and of his re-election at about
25 percent. ...

That’s partly because the Democratic Party has not yet begun a serious reckoning with its defeat last year. It hasn’t grasped the degree to which it lives,
still, in a coastal echo chamber of identity politics and Trump-bashing. Just being anti-Trump won’t cut it.

any discussion?

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Posted: 29 October 2017 07:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/opinion/trumps-road-to-2024.html

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Posted: 30 October 2017 03:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 29 October 2017 07:21 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/opinion/trumps-road-to-2024.html

I like the conclusion of the article, “An overriding lesson of 2016 for liberals is that without hard-nosed realism about the state of the country and Trump’s talents, you lose. And that’s the truth.”, with some doubts on ‘Trump’s talents’. I think the Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, lost due to their problems of not realizing the state of the country and of the world, and not so much due to Trump’s talents. Following were some of their problems.

1) Immigration should be through legal means; the Democrats were perceived to be too soft on illegal immigration to the USA.
2) The Democrats were perceived to be for accommodating Islamic fanaticism in the USA.
3) The Democrats were perceived to be weak on prospective refugees that could turn into Islamic terrorists after getting shelter in the USA.
4) The high increase in the Obama Care premiums in many parts of the country.

Some of these perceptions could be argued to be wrong; but the Democrats failed to clarify that to the voters, especially in the rural areas where there were very few recent naturalized citizens, Blacks and Hispanics.

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Posted: 01 November 2017 10:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Sukhamaya (Sam) Bain - 30 October 2017 03:19 PM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 29 October 2017 07:21 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/opinion/trumps-road-to-2024.html

I like the conclusion of the article, “An overriding lesson of 2016 for liberals is that without hard-nosed realism about the state of the country and Trump’s talents, you lose. And that’s the truth.”, with some doubts on ‘Trump’s talents’. I think the Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, lost due to their problems of not realizing the state of the country and of the world, and not so much due to Trump’s talents. Following were some of their problems.

1) Immigration should be through legal means; the Democrats were perceived to be too soft on illegal immigration to the USA.
2) The Democrats were perceived to be for accommodating Islamic fanaticism in the USA.
3) The Democrats were perceived to be weak on prospective refugees that could turn into Islamic terrorists after getting shelter in the USA.
4) The high increase in the Obama Care premiums in many parts of the country.

Some of these perceptions could be argued to be wrong; but the Democrats failed to clarify that to the voters, especially in the rural areas where there were very few recent naturalized citizens, Blacks and Hispanics.

Dead wrong. Hillary and the Dems won by a wide margin. The problem is, the US isn’t a democracy. It uses the undemocratic institution called the Electoral College. Had this been a true democracy, popular vote, the Dems would have won both this time and in 2000. THAT’s what needs to change, not some goofy set of ideas. When it comes to ideas, Dems and Liberals win hand over fist.

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Posted: 01 November 2017 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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CuthbertJ - 01 November 2017 10:30 AM
Sukhamaya (Sam) Bain - 30 October 2017 03:19 PM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 29 October 2017 07:21 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/opinion/trumps-road-to-2024.html

I like the conclusion of the article, “An overriding lesson of 2016 for liberals is that without hard-nosed realism about the state of the country and Trump’s talents, you lose. And that’s the truth.”, with some doubts on ‘Trump’s talents’. I think the Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, lost due to their problems of not realizing the state of the country and of the world, and not so much due to Trump’s talents. Following were some of their problems.

1) Immigration should be through legal means; the Democrats were perceived to be too soft on illegal immigration to the USA.
2) The Democrats were perceived to be for accommodating Islamic fanaticism in the USA.
3) The Democrats were perceived to be weak on prospective refugees that could turn into Islamic terrorists after getting shelter in the USA.
4) The high increase in the Obama Care premiums in many parts of the country.

Some of these perceptions could be argued to be wrong; but the Democrats failed to clarify that to the voters, especially in the rural areas where there were very few recent naturalized citizens, Blacks and Hispanics.

Dead wrong. Hillary and the Dems won by a wide margin. The problem is, the US isn’t a democracy. It uses the undemocratic institution called the Electoral College. Had this been a true democracy, popular vote, the Dems would have won both this time and in 2000. THAT’s what needs to change, not some goofy set of ideas. When it comes to ideas, Dems and Liberals win hand over fist.

Well, the USA is not just America; it is a union of autonomous states of America. That is why there was the Great Compromise, by which the states had equal voting power in the Senate, while the House of Representatives provided more power to the bigger states. The Electoral College system also provides ‘unfair’ power, like in the Senate, to smaller states. It is also like recognizing each state as a state, as opposed to just a territory in America. Arguments can be made for both for and against the system; but I do not see dissolution of it in the horizon.

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Posted: 01 November 2017 06:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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CuthbertJ - 01 November 2017 10:30 AM

Dead wrong. Hillary and the Dems won by a wide margin. The problem is, the US isn’t a democracy.

So it ain’t a perfect democracy, perhaps being liberal is sort of like being black, you simply have to work twice as hard.

The problem is Democrats have no vision or cojones anymore.
No vision regarding the problems we’re in, or how we allowed them to fester and metastasize.
Let alone how to confront our future.
No ability to rouse people to take up the challenge.
No ability to enunciate what the challenge is.

No interest in getting out of their chosen comfort zones.
Like Clinton’s dick, and Gore’s limp campaign, Clinton’s smugness, never taking things as seriously as they needed to be taken.
Nothing has seemed to change.

Until someone figures out the key to waking up liberal minded masses to real global politics and the current hostile takeover bid of these mega-corporate oligarchs,
we’ll keep taking it.
But then we are the naive countrymen who allowed mega consolidation to happen without ever giving it a second thought.  Who cared if they got bigger than governments who were dedicated to the people by the people.
Now we got Trump, etc.  with only SELF-interest and Profits Über Alles on their minds and in their hearts

and so on and so for,
and so it goes.  long face
 
wish it weren’t so, if anyone hears a heartbeat anywhere within the Democratic Party please do let me know.  I’d love to be witness to that.

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Sukhamaya (Sam) Bain - 01 November 2017 11:08 AM
CuthbertJ - 01 November 2017 10:30 AM
Sukhamaya (Sam) Bain - 30 October 2017 03:19 PM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 29 October 2017 07:21 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/opinion/trumps-road-to-2024.html

I like the conclusion of the article, “An overriding lesson of 2016 for liberals is that without hard-nosed realism about the state of the country and Trump’s talents, you lose. And that’s the truth.”, with some doubts on ‘Trump’s talents’. I think the Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, lost due to their problems of not realizing the state of the country and of the world, and not so much due to Trump’s talents. Following were some of their problems.

1) Immigration should be through legal means; the Democrats were perceived to be too soft on illegal immigration to the USA.
2) The Democrats were perceived to be for accommodating Islamic fanaticism in the USA.
3) The Democrats were perceived to be weak on prospective refugees that could turn into Islamic terrorists after getting shelter in the USA.
4) The high increase in the Obama Care premiums in many parts of the country.

Some of these perceptions could be argued to be wrong; but the Democrats failed to clarify that to the voters, especially in the rural areas where there were very few recent naturalized citizens, Blacks and Hispanics.

Dead wrong. Hillary and the Dems won by a wide margin. The problem is, the US isn’t a democracy. It uses the undemocratic institution called the Electoral College. Had this been a true democracy, popular vote, the Dems would have won both this time and in 2000. THAT’s what needs to change, not some goofy set of ideas. When it comes to ideas, Dems and Liberals win hand over fist.

Well, the USA is not just America; it is a union of autonomous states of America. That is why there was the Great Compromise, by which the states had equal voting power in the Senate, while the House of Representatives provided more power to the bigger states. The Electoral College system also provides ‘unfair’ power, like in the Senate, to smaller states. It is also like recognizing each state as a state, as opposed to just a territory in America. Arguments can be made for both for and against the system; but I do not see dissolution of it in the horizon.

Actually it doesn’t need dissolution, it needs sidestepping, or making it meaningless: http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

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Posted: 03 November 2017 07:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Oh boy, time for more pop corn.  smirk

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.
By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017 - Politico
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774


Rep. Tulsi Gabbard on Donna Brazile’s DNC Bombshell
Published on Nov 2, 2017 - TheRealNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2PHwuIERms

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), a prominent supporter of Bernie Sanders’ 2016 bid, responds to former interim chair Donna Brazile’s revelation that the Clinton campaign had effective control of the DNC

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Posted: 09 November 2017 10:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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That Politico story by Donna Brazile was very demoralizing.  Then came Tuesday.  Nice to see a pulse.

With Virginia, Voters Give Democrats First Big Wins of the Trump Era
By JONATHAN MARTIN and ALEXANDER BURNS - NOV. 7, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/virginia-election-democrats.html

FAIRFAX, Va. — Voters delivered their first forceful rebuke of President Trump and his party on Tuesday night, with Democrats exploiting Mr. Trump’s deep unpopularity to capture the governorships in Virginia and New Jersey and make significant inroads into suburban communities that once favored the Republican Party.

The Democratic Party’s crowning success of the night came in Virginia, where Lt. Gov. Ralph S. Northam, an understated physician and Army veteran, won a commanding victory for governor, overcoming a racially charged campaign by his Republican opponent and cementing Virginia’s transformation into a reliably Democratic state largely immune to Trump-style appeals.

Mr. Northam was propelled to victory over Ed Gillespie, the Republican nominee, by liberal and moderate voters who were eager to send a message to Mr. Trump in a state that rejected him in 2016. Mr. Northam led Mr. Gillespie by nearly nine percentage points with 99 percent of precincts reporting, the widest victory in decades for a Democratic candidate for governor of Virginia. ...

Yeah baby, pissed off citizens getting out there and voting.  If you say the system is rigged, so much for reason to get out and vote, particularly given how clear cut differences between the oligarch sycophants the GOP, and the Democrats who at least still believe in regular people and rationally evaluating evidence and constructive results.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/07/winners-and-losers-from-election-day-2017

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/5-takeaways-election-virginia-governor-trump/index.html
(yeah, but don’t slip into the usual complacency)

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Posted: 10 November 2017 09:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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No, don’t be scared, that’s complete bullshit.

Listen to the words of Franklin Roosevelt who led America through the great Depression and WW II… from a wheelchair.

“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

The Democratic party is re-inventing itself with the Justice Democrats. Support them and don’t give into this neghead BS.

Stand for something while the soul dead republican party falls for everything… including trump as president.

biggest joke ever…

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Posted: 11 November 2017 07:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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DougC.V2 - 10 November 2017 09:29 PM

No, don’t be scared, that’s complete bullshit.

Listen to the words of Franklin Roosevelt who led America through the great Depression and WW II… from a wheelchair.

“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

The Democratic party is re-inventing itself with the Justice Democrats. Support them and don’t give into this neghead BS.

Stand for something while the soul dead republican party falls for everything… including trump as president.

biggest joke ever…

Sure okay.  It’s in the title as a rhetorical device - Democrats and liberals in general have had a tendency to be way the hell complacent.
Fear is a very healthy energizer and focusing agent.
For many it’s the only thing that gets their attention.

If more people had thought about the reality of men like Trump and pals taking over our government, I bet there’d have been a lot more liberal minded folks voting.

I ask you how does one gently, politely ask people to get off their lazy asses and engage - got any suggestions?
Although your not the smoothest writer under fire either, still would love to hear your ideas.

Justice Democrats??? - have you mention them over here before?
I’ll admit my bandwidth is relatively narrow and I wasn’t familiar with them, nor recall you mentioning them before.
If I missed it, shame on me, if you’ve never mentioned them at CFI shame on you.  smile
If you’re familiar with them, tell us more in a clearly titled thread.  kiss


PS. Well guess it wasn’t all rhetorical, reading the news put me in a state of fear, for real, but that doesn’t mean it paralyzes me.

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Posted: 11 November 2017 07:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Oops and there I go forgetting to add the link myself.
For what it’s worth Doug I signed up for their newsletter.

https://justicedemocrats.com

The Democratic Party is broken, and the corporate wing of the party is responsible.
By aligning with Wall Street over working men and women, the Democratic Party has allowed Republicans to take over most state legislatures,
most governorships, Congress, and the presidency.

The solution is not unity with the corporate-backed Democrats.
The solution is to challenge them and replace every single one of them with people who will fight for voters, not donors.
It’s time to rebuild the Democratic Party from scratch to be a party that fights for a clear progressive vision.

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I’ll admit I’m morbidly fascinated by the investigations into Russia’s meddling into our election process and playing a key role getting a serial liar and unhinged narcissist along with his Burn’Baby Burn Alt-right tea-party juvenile delinquents in charge of our government - but there is a down side worth pondering.

Why Putin’s Foes Deplore U.S. Fixation on Election Meddling

By ANDREW HIGGINS - NOV. 23, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/world/europe/russia-vladimir-putin-liberals.html

Mr. Volkov and others say they have no doubt that Russia did interfere, at least on the margins, in last year’s presidential election campaign. But they complain that the United States consistently inflates Mr. Putin’s impact and portrays his government as far more unified and effective than it really is, cementing his legacy and making him harder to challenge at home.

Ultimately, they say, Americans are using Russia as a scapegoat to explain the deep political discord in the United States. That has left many westward-leaning Russians, who have long looked to America for their ideals, in bitter disappointment that the United States seems to be mimicking some of their own country’s least appealing traits. ...

“American liberals are so upset about Trump that they cannot believe he is a real product of American life,” Mr. Kurilla said.
“They try to portray him as something created by Russia. This whole thing is about America, not Russia.” ...

Michael Idov, a Russian-American screenwriter, author and former magazine editor, said the idea that Mr. Putin, through hacking, fake news and other tools, could outfox and disorient the world’s most powerful democratic nation makes the Russian president look invincible. But this image of a “globally victorious Putin is hard to accept when you can’t even find decent cheese in Moscow” because of Western sanctions and Russian countersanctions, Mr. Idov said. ...

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DougC.V2 - 10 November 2017 09:29 PM

No, don’t be scared, that’s complete bullshit. ...

I think it’s the collective silence and apathy I find most terrifying.

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