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Posted: 16 November 2017 09:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I was born Muslim, I CHOSE to be Christian and took the initiative to be baptized as such. I did so under no duress or manipulation whatsoever. I was convinced by experiences I have had that defied “reality” FOR THE BETTER. This begs the question whether what anyone sees as “reality” isn’t actually deceptive to some extend. I’ve ingested poison that killed several people I heard on tv. YET, here I am talking to you as if I never have. At another time I was paralyzed for 5 days, and after 2 full days of practicing 2 way street forgiveness, I stood up and walked like nothing ever happened and the list goes on. Talking about “limited” freedom of thinking, choosing or whatever you want to call it.

When I was paralyzed, I was presented with 2 options. The first is to sit there and be stupid and wait as I had no medical coverage, and maybe end up quadriplegic or something to that effect. The second, was to instinctively forgive others and ask to be forgiven EVEN THOUGHT at the time, deep down, I didn’t BELIEVE I did anything that needed forgiveness. 48 hours later, I stood up and walked. This is the type of DELIVERANCE, Jesus The Christ gave the Multitudes across the planet. So go ahead and claim it’s a bad thing. The more you do, and the more you look ClownISH to all of them. And you think they are the problem?!?!?!

Ironically, there are verses in the bible that support what I’ve experience that I came to know ONLY after what I have LIVED. As dysfunctional and contradictory the bible seem to the “logical’ eye and brain!!!!!!!!! I love you guys and girls, but each time I think about this, I feel the urge to hang on to my beloved bible even tighter. Again, this is a Former Muslim speaking.

There is another experience I’ve had with the Name Michael for the Archangel once, that freaked the enzymes out of me. I will bring it up on a topic in the future. As the saying goes: “There is more to what the eye can see and what the ear can hear.”
And the Honorable HOLY Bible points to in the following passage:
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.” ~~Ephesians 6:12~~

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Posted: 16 November 2017 11:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Many years ago, in the early days of internet forums, I came across a guy who wrote a very long post about how he could tell you the day of the week for any date in history that you gave him. To prove it, he proceeded to write some dates and days of the week. It went something like, “08/14/1642 was a Tuesday, see! it’s amazing”. There was no sense of irony that he was typing these words and he could have been using any number of sources to get that right. It was an anonymous forum post with no practical way of checking his facts.

Do you see the parallel? Thing is, my mind is completely open. I know that tomorrow I could find out my entire life has been a lie. Anything from my brother’s middle name to the history of Western civilization could be revealed as completely different from what I think today. If a book of stories had healing powers, I would be thrilled. Of course I would support that. But what you are asking me to do is not to believe a book that has been translated into many languages and has been studied by millions of people, you are asking me to believe you. You, anonymous guy with a donkey cartoon as his avatar.

In what possible world of all possible worlds does that make the slightest bit of sense?

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Posted: 16 November 2017 01:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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So if someone is not able to discuss with you, without playing victim, then its not much point having a conversation either.

I think the point here is to make the point with making anyone the victim. It really should be very simple. There’s no trick to it. That’s probably why David Smalley keeps trying to use it and gets frustrated.

That will not work in most cases where are two sides in discussion, while one claim “we know all from the Bible, and there is no need to test it, but not just that its blasphemy you know” and other claim “We know, that we dont know… Except few things we tested.”

Listening to the interview that I first heard this, you can almost hear the change in this voice and attitude when he realizes the logic is sound and switches to an emotionally framed argument. It’s not that interesting really, but I have that kind of time. It’s episode #335. I’m not sure how long he keeps up for free.

https://www.podcastone.com/dogma-debate?pid=1769874

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Posted: 17 November 2017 11:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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InBetween - 16 November 2017 09:47 AM

I was born Muslim, I CHOSE to be Christian and took the initiative to be baptized as such. I did so under no duress or manipulation whatsoever. I was convinced by experiences I have had that defied “reality” FOR THE BETTER. This begs the question whether what anyone sees as “reality” isn’t actually deceptive to some extend. I’ve ingested poison that killed several people I heard on tv. YET, here I am talking to you as if I never have. At another time I was paralyzed for 5 days, and after 2 full days of practicing 2 way street forgiveness, I stood up and walked like nothing ever happened and the list goes on. Talking about “limited” freedom of thinking, choosing or whatever you want to call it.

When I was paralyzed, I was presented with 2 options. The first is to sit there and be stupid and wait as I had no medical coverage, and maybe end up quadriplegic or something to that effect. The second, was to instinctively forgive others and ask to be forgiven EVEN THOUGHT at the time, deep down, I didn’t BELIEVE I did anything that needed forgiveness. 48 hours later, I stood up and walked. This is the type of DELIVERANCE, Jesus The Christ gave the Multitudes across the planet. So go ahead and claim it’s a bad thing. The more you do, and the more you look ClownISH to all of them. And you think they are the problem?!?!?!

Ironically, there are verses in the bible that support what I’ve experience that I came to know ONLY after what I have LIVED. As dysfunctional and contradictory the bible seem to the “logical’ eye and brain!!!!!!!!! I love you guys and girls, but each time I think about this, I feel the urge to hang on to my beloved bible even tighter. Again, this is a Former Muslim speaking.

There is another experience I’ve had with the Name Michael for the Archangel once, that freaked the enzymes out of me. I will bring it up on a topic in the future. As the saying goes: “There is more to what the eye can see and what the ear can hear.”
And the Honorable HOLY Bible points to in the following passage:
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.” ~~Ephesians 6:12~~

Typical selfish christian you are. What about the people who were devout christians all their lives, ingested poison, and died? Or were paralyzed and never walked again? Geesh the selfishness of so-called believers is unbelievable. Jesus would be ashamed.

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Posted: 17 November 2017 11:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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This whole discussion (unless I missed something, very possible) is a bit meaningless without bringing in willingness to act upon one’s beliefs. In this regard I admire the snake handling Christians. My favorite example of this is those bumper stickers that say Jesus is my Copilot. You really believe that? Let go of the wheel and prove it. Otherwise shut up and take that stupid bumper sticker off.

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Posted: 17 November 2017 11:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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CuthbertJ - 17 November 2017 11:05 AM

Typical selfish christian you are. What about the people who were devout christians all their lives, ingested poison, and died? Or were paralyzed and never walked again? Geesh the selfishness of so-called believers is unbelievable. Jesus would be ashamed.

Good point. I’d be interested what Bible verses he thinks supports his experience. My knowledge of healing stories in the Bible almost always include some lesson for the healed. It’s always “go and do likewise” or “why are you bothering me with this”. In the Book of Mark, Jesus is particularly grumpy with the lepers. I don’t know of one where a paralyzed person forgave anyone and then was healed.

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Posted: 17 November 2017 02:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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  Typical selfish christian you are. What about the people who were devout christians all their lives, ingested poison, and died? Or were paralyzed and never walked again? Geesh the selfishness of so-called believers is unbelievable. Jesus would be ashamed.

You say “devout”? then why did they commit suicide as that is not allowed by the bible since it say to TRUST in the Lord? When it comes to the consequences of their acts, they are KARMIC. Jesus TAUGHT Reincarnation/Karma, the Catholic Cult took it off the Catholic curriculum, and after the Reformation, the others followed. When one prays and their answers do not come, that probably has to do with previous Karma in previous lifetime that they need to reconcile through different means. Either that or they pray for something like “win lottery” knowing that there are people who live on the streets, or who are in Jail for crimes they did not commit, or, or, but they think they should come first because they are EXTRA Special, So instead of praying for the NEEDS of humanity, they go for their stupid irrelevant wants. think I am selfish for simply expressing myself? you need to go back to elementary school as there is Lot that you don’t know about Basic Christianity.

As to the paralyzed and the dead before their time, I do what I can to pray for them and for aaaaaall categories that come to mind that need prayers. I help when I can. Practicing forgiveness does not come from “being selfish”. Try it for one day and find out how SELFISH that feels.
Jesus does not get ashamed as He is God. He will be ashamed if he was you or me, but He is above that. I know Jesus loves me very much because He showed me his heart once. Yep, the Little Tiny Tiny Meee. Jesus the Christ did that for me. He let me see His heart. Mary Margaret Alcoque is the only saint in the Catholic Annals who was documented to have such experience. I was born in abusive muslim home. I grew up therefore with very low self esteem. Which explains my first attempt to self X at age 14 I think (He intervened in my last in 99) . Jesus seems to BELIEVE I am very important being,  and By Occam’s razor, so is EVERYONE else just so we be clear on this. To every Christian out there, Jesus’ Opinion should be the only one that really matter.

 

Though your post was neither needed nor required, it’s digging Jesus out from inside of me, and I really thank you for your attacks. May He come into your life, so you’d see what I mean….In the Name of the Great I AM. Amen.

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Posted: 17 November 2017 06:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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InBetween said,
Though your post was neither needed nor required, it’s digging Jesus out from inside of me, and I really thank you for your attacks. May He come into your life, so you’d see what I mean….In the Name of the Great I AM. Amen.

Actually in the name of Evolution you are. Amen.

I do not object to your best practices according to your beliefs. But we should always try to stay with facts, don’t you agree?

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Posted: 17 November 2017 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Jesus taught karma? Guess I missed that in Sunday school.

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Posted: 18 November 2017 10:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Write4U - 17 November 2017 06:36 PM

InBetween said,
Though your post was neither needed nor required, it’s digging Jesus out from inside of me, and I really thank you for your attacks. May He come into your life, so you’d see what I mean….In the Name of the Great I AM. Amen.

Actually in the name of Evolution you are. Amen.

I do not object to your best practices according to your beliefs. But we should always try to stay with facts, don’t you agree?

Good morning my love!!! I am unto you now whoever you are, for that Beautiful post of yours that gave me the goose bumps at the ID thread.

I have no problem with Evolution. In my book, it’s the main mean or one of the means by which God creates and is still creating. So no conflict of interest there. My guess is that the bible is a caricature of how it was when it first was emitted. A really really good book of textual criticism for the lay man is “Misquoting Jesus” By Bart Ehrman. He started out as an on fire bible student and scholar and by the end of the book, He ended up Atheist as he said something along the lines of “the bible is very human book”. I ABSOLUTELY adored that book. He went into a great thorough analysis of how the bible was passed down to us via the flawed copying of copyists. Copyists according to him were not literate as are today scholars. They are just people who knew how to draw letters. And that did not necessarily mean they ALSO knew what they were drawing meant.  So when a word, a sentence or even a line was missed, they could not tell as there was no set punctuation back then. From my little humble hut, it was a great outstanding read. A book like that should help one not condemn the bible for what it was made out to be today. the gist of what he said is Most relevant. But I still do not want to discard the bible. Every time I read it, something new pops up at me which hasn’t last time as far as perspective. How must one explain that?
As far as facts, Jesus is very factual as he was not bser but A Big Time Do-er. He walked his talk as no one ever has. Criminals out there are the ones who made him into a joke & charade that he isn’t. The obvious proof that he is lot closer to you guys and girls is they beat, tortured, starved then killed him. That’s how conform he was in the back then times. He is quit possibly the First Skeptic.
Speaking of which, another book by Kirsten Holger, “Jesus lived in India”. According to him, Jesus survived the crucifixion. He said Nasa analyzed the patches of blood found on the shroud of Turin and found there were 2 types of bleedings. The first is the one sustained from the injuries, and the second is the one from him regaining consciousness, which caused the blood to start oozing out of his injuries again. That book alone is another Pearl of the West. A loaded missile so to speak. There is more to Christ than Humanity can ever phathom.

The bible relates how Jesus used to hang out with the bad people. The bible also uses euphemisms to hid this and that. My guess is the words they used to describe people he hang out with were to hide words such as “free thinkers and atheists” as they probably anticipated the reader would go “what?!?!?!free thinkers?!?!?! Tell me more!!!” so they replaced them with this and that, that they Knew people usually get repelled by. They did that with other people. One that comes to mind is Simon something who founded the Gnostic movement. They made him out to be this evil person who wanted to buy the gifts of the holy spirits with money. Etc. The bible is not people’s enemy, crooked manipulative scumbags who claim to be “holy” are.

I am sorry I talk too much.

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Posted: 18 November 2017 12:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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InBetween - 18 November 2017 10:32 AM

I am sorry I talk too much.

That’s okay. I’m incredibly bored and don’t feel like being around real people right now.

I am currently reading Misquoting Jesus. I don’t see anything that you just said that seems at all related to that book. You keep saying things like they were hiding words like “freethinkers”. What led you to believe that? What word did they use? Chapter and verse please. And what “criminals out there” are you talking about? It’s really not much of a discussion if you just keep saying you think this or guess that.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 11:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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In the interest of analyzing how the brain functions and how it makes sense of external and internal stimuli, this little clip continous to be one of my favorites (for those who missed it the first time I posted it);
https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_how_your_brain_hallucinates_your_conscious_reality

and if this was of interest the clip following that presentation, may give you a still deeper insight of how the brain tries to make sense of the world.

And after this we may begin to undestand the concept of Tulpas.

Tulpa
Tulpa also translated as “magical emanation”, “conjured thing” and “phantom” is a concept in mysticism of a being or object which is created through sheer spiritual or mental discipline alone. It is defined in Indian Buddhist texts as any unreal, illusory or mind created apparition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa

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Posted: 08 December 2017 12:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Your ted dude MANAGED to already be wrong within the first 3 min of his little speech about his own stuff: AI is already starting to independently act on what it knows. For example you give it 2 or more pieces of data about this and that, and upon analyzing them, it manages to deduct independent facts about the subject in question that the people in charge know it has no way of knowing!!!! So he is already WRONG!!! The prospect of conscious AI IS NOT pretty remote. It is HERE.
And for him to accuse people of having “hallucinations”, the same as a crack cocaine smoker would have just makes him into the pathetic sad joke he truly is. Thank God The soul’s Energy is inaccessible to such charlatans. I mean look at what the Nazis did to the Jews in the name of “Science”. I didn’t even tell you guys about the death that YOUR science claims is given by mixture of poison I ingested, yet here I am still talking to you and probably healthier than the average member of this forum. And the list goes on. My experiences are beyond your comprehension. Or I should say Jesus experiences, not mine. He could have given them to anybody in the world.

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Posted: 09 December 2017 09:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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In regard to the death that should have taken me and it has not. The bible just so happens to say much about that in confirmation and agreement, that I learned about after the Fact and not before it. So no one would come with that “I was brainwashed into believing” nonsense. Muslims do not believe in the bible although they stole and perverted its content.

I get it that you don’t believe in evil forces (I didn’t believe b4 Christ either), you don’t believe in Christ, etc. I have no problem with that. As I don’t believe in Crooked science. As Jesus said, His kingdom is not of this world, You people should quit pretending to dissect his body in a lab. He is not a god damn frog!!! Get that through your thick skull. YOu wanna find Jesus, you find him in his Own Arena. It’s called The New Testament. This is the One and only way you find him. If you are not willing to do that, quit making jokes out of yourselves.

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Posted: 09 December 2017 08:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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InBetween - 09 December 2017 09:31 AM

YOu wanna find Jesus, you find him in his Own Arena. It’s called The New Testament. This is the One and only way you find him. If you are not willing to do that, quit making jokes out of yourselves.

I was a Christian for 17 years. I taught Sunday School. I took lay leader classes. I still study. I’m taking an Intro to Biblical Scholarship right now. The NT says that you believe in Jesus and you will be saved and not much else. On rare occasion it tells you to feed the hungry and other obvious stuff. I realize there are some other parables and nice little pericopes with lessons, but show me anywhere that there is something special that isn’t a promise of a miracle that has never happened. If you say anything other than that I need to pray more and study more and I’ll find whatever you think you have, then I will be shocked.

If you don’t believe I read the the Bible, go to http://www.milepost100.com. I’d be glad to discuss any of my interpretations. Pick your favorite verse.

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