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Posted: 21 December 2017 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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I am so sorry I missed this.

Lausten - 09 December 2017 08:01 PM

...The NT says that you believe in Jesus and you will be saved and not much else….

No it does not. Over 260 chapters do not just say : “believe in Jesus and you will be saved”.  if it did, that would look like something like this:
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believe in Jesus and you will be saved
believe in Jesus and you will be saved
believe in Jesus and you will be saved
believe in Jesus and you will be saved
believe in Jesus and you will be saved
etc.”
throughout 260 chapters!!!
I think you have a Catholic background, am I wrong?
If you really want to know a little something about this Guy, you need to drop that crap cult, dead on!!!the only thing they can teach you is how to rape children, cover your tracks and steal money from the poor while pretending to do the reverse. Their little head-bitch is promoting Muslimism as we speak when he should be working for Christ His Lord. Back in the inquisition days, they would have burnt his ass to the ground.

I will be very much interested in going through the NT you and I to just explore what’s REALLY in there. There are secret entrances to critical areas I won’t bring up at this time, that these crooks don’t want their sheep to find out.
So no wonder the only crap you will ever catch their thugs preaching about is:
1/-give money,
2/-women should shut the fak up & submit to men,
3/-if you disobey your preacher, you will go to hell.
THAT’S IT!!!! And this, as A BODY has nothing to do with Christianity. NOTHING. I’ve GONE TO enough churches and read the bible enough to KNOW…

Here’s an obvious bible verse that is not hidden and that is out there for anyone to Ponder and Act on:

“I have given you the authority to trample scorpions and cobras, to overcome aaaaaaaall your enemy’s power and nothing shall hurt you.”
~~Luke 10:19~~

The catholic cult (or the protestant for that matter) DOES NOT WANT their cattle to take charge. To be independent, to have Authority in Christ. They don’t. So you will never catch one of their foremen giving a homily/sermon on such verse or comparable passages. NEVER. They want them to be stupid, and dependent on them. So the money and power remain where they are At.

Here’s a verse I would like you to mediate on should you agree to go over the NT with me:
“Forgetting what is behind, Straining toward what’s ahead, I press on, toward the goal, to win the price, for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.” ~Philippians 3:13,14~~ IN Jesus Name. Amen.

If you really want to find Christ, you need to leave them behind. Because they are ANYTHING but one and the same.


IF you decide to read, really READ the NT, if you read 12 chapters a day, you will finish it in 3 weeks flat. I think you should do that.

 

If you don’t believe I read the the Bible, go to http://www.milepost100.com. I’d be glad to discuss any of my interpretations. Pick your favorite verse.

I will go there.

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Posted: 21 December 2017 09:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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I wanna add that the one thing true about being “saved” is for one to cut through the cycle of reincarnation or at least shorten it. This is what it actualy means.

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Posted: 21 December 2017 09:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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InBetween - 21 December 2017 09:44 AM

I will be very much interested in going through the NT you and I to just explore what’s REALLY in there.

You keep saying that, and I keep saying I’ll gladly take you up on it. But you keep “missing it” somehow. So far, you have only put up a few random verses and then claimed there is more to it. This is what I saw for 17 years in the United Methodist church. But, lucky me, I found you! Please begin my education.

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Posted: 21 December 2017 03:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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InBetween - 21 December 2017 09:46 AM

I wanna add that the one thing true about being “saved” is for one to cut through the cycle of reincarnation or at least shorten it. This is what it actualy means.

“Being saved” is the common theme of the bible, no matter how you put it. But the question is; Being saved from what?
What makes anyone think I need to be saved? Just because I am atheist? Isn’t that a little presumptuous?

What is a cycle of reincarnation and why is it shortened when I am “saved”? What makes anyone think I want to be reincarnated? I know that I will be reincarnated, but not the way anyone wishes. I have regularly given blood to the blood bank, I am already reincarnated in many people.

The physical stuff will take care of itself. It’s the mental stuff which gets in my way. To have someone come up to me at a street corner and tell me;
“Brother, please read this, if you understand it, it will surely save you”. I’ll politely nod my head, but in my mind I tell him to go masturbate somewhere else.

I don’t need saving, I don’t feel guilty from the life I have lived.? When I die, I won’t give a hoot about what people will say of me.  I do while I am alive and that’s why I try to be kind to all life on earth. But a song and a prayer will not save me or the earth, let alone anything still lying in the future.

It all stems from self interest, we made the whole thing up ourselves.

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Posted: 21 December 2017 07:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Write4U - 21 December 2017 03:47 PM
InBetween - 21 December 2017 09:46 AM

I wanna add that the one thing true about being “saved” is for one to cut through the cycle of reincarnation or at least shorten it. This is what it actualy means.

“Being saved” is the common theme of the bible, no matter how you put it. But the question is; Being saved from what?

Well there’s spared eternal torment, so you’d have to believe the threat.

There’s death itself, so you’d have to believe the promise.

But reincarnation. That’s blasphemy in any church I know of. InBetween has her own theology.

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Posted: 21 December 2017 10:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Lausten - 21 December 2017 07:45 PM
Write4U - 21 December 2017 03:47 PM
InBetween - 21 December 2017 09:46 AM

I wanna add that the one thing true about being “saved” is for one to cut through the cycle of reincarnation or at least shorten it. This is what it actualy means.

“Being saved” is the common theme of the bible, no matter how you put it. But the question is; Being saved from what?

Well there’s spared eternal torment, so you’d have to believe the threat.

When I die, I cease to exist as a sentient being, so how could I possibly experience torment?

There’s death itself, so you’d have to believe the promise.

I have the exact oposite view. When one is alive one can experience torment. Death ends all of this.

But reincarnation. That’s blasphemy in any church I know of. InBetween has her own theology.

I am not sure exactly how InBtween sees incarnation.  But I certainly believe in incarnation, or rather a use of my molecular constituents.

Every organism that feed on my remains will have parts of what belonged to me and thus my reincarnation may be literally in “piecemeal” forms. A complete reincarnation, where all my parts are reassembled in another single living organism, IMO is impossible as per natural law. One might say that a supernova of a star has reincarnated into a living being, which of course is nonsense, but we do have bits and pieces, such as carbon, iron, gold, and probably a few other elements but that is on a universal scale. A human being is a unverse in and of itself to micro-organisms and when we die, bits and pieces of our bodies may be necessary for the evolution of life at micro scale, but it tends to get at a smaller scale, every time something disintegrates into smaller parts.

As to our experiences and wisdom, they disappear along with the organism. The closest we can come to reincarnation is by procreation, but that usually requires a secondary partner and at best you can hope for a 50/50 split in your DNA.

Never 100% reconstitution, except for a few species which only use their own DNA, such as the Silvery salamander, which are all female and literally (DNA) clones of the mother.
Oh, and I believe there one organism which theoretically is immortal, the Moon jellyfish, which as the ability to age backwards!
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/02/160302-jellyfish-immortal-science-animals-oceans-deadpool/

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Posted: 26 December 2017 04:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Lausten - 21 December 2017 09:57 AM
InBetween - 21 December 2017 09:44 AM

I will be very much interested in going through the NT you and I to just explore what’s REALLY in there.

You keep saying that, and I keep saying I’ll gladly take you up on it. But you keep “missing it” somehow. So far, you have only put up a few random verses and then claimed there is more to it. This is what I saw for 17 years in the United Methodist church. But, lucky me, I found you! Please begin my education.

NO I never kept on saying anything. When I say something once, you claim it’s repetitive. Unless you can’t count til 10. Either that or you see double or multiple.

This is where you problem is: You look to fault Christ while you claim you are looking for him. Let me burst your bubble: YOu are NOT looking to find Christ, you are looking to FIND fault with him. THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Those are diametrically opposed stands.  Looking to DISCREDIT someone has nothing to do with looking to find Who they are or what they’re about.

And in doing so, you are dong the work of the devil. Good Morning!  So don’t ever expect to find Christ. Anybody who has a basic elementary knowledge of the English language KNOWS what’s in the bible. And it is not “believe in Jesus and you will be saved.” repeated over and over and over and over and over throughout the 260 chapters.

Jeremiah 29:13 says “You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.”

For the honest student, the bible answers its own questions. One does not need to go else where.

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Posted: 26 December 2017 05:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Write4U - 21 December 2017 03:47 PM

  “Being saved” is the common theme of the bible, no matter how you put it. But the question is; Being saved from what?

From being spiritually marooned, from perdition. And perdition is relative as it manifests under multiple forms.

What makes anyone think I need to be saved? Just because I am atheist? Isn’t that a little presumptuous?

I agree with you. You, as an Atheist do not need ‘saving’. Here’s what Romans 2:13-15 says::::

—((( For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature   things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.  )))—

I could be wrong but anybody in the bible who is neither Jew nor Christian is usually referred to as ‘gentile’. Please correct me if I am wrong. That includes Atheists.  Fundamentalists would like you and me to think they have the high moral grounds, but to Jesus, if you are A doer as He is, you are fine. And There are numerous verses that confirm and back this up in the NT.

 

What is a cycle of reincarnation and why is it shortened when I am “saved”? What makes anyone think I want to be reincarnated? I know that I will be reincarnated, but not the way anyone wishes. I have regularly given blood to the blood bank, I am already reincarnated in many people.

Buddhists refer to it as the law. So long that we have cravings of any sort, attachments or any carnal baggage we will continue to be reincarnated whether we like it or not. There is also Karma which will cause one to come back and deal with it in another lifetime if they don’t address it in the here and Now, each and every time. Giving blood to those who might need it is an act of selflessness, which is good but it is not an act of reincarnation.  Only the soul reincarnates. The blood as Leviticus 17:11 says, atones for one’s life, but not to the point of canceling the cycle all together.

The physical stuff will take care of itself. It’s the mental stuff which gets in my way. To have someone come up to me at a street corner and tell me;
“Brother, please read this, if you understand it, it will surely save you”. I’ll politely nod my head, but in my mind I tell him to go masturbate somewhere else.

Me too I hate those scumbags, Oh man if you knew. one time a guy approached, I didn’t even let him talk (they’re prolific where I live),  I just told him Up front “I have my bible that I read on regular basis, so I don’t need your crap.” as I pulled it out. And he STILL tried to force me to take his garbage by saying “Yeah, but let me give you some thing TO READ.”!!!! I kid you NOT. Then I pulled out my phone and told him “did you hear what I just said? get the f outta here, you’re harassing me. I will dial the cops if you don’t.”. That’s when he disappeared. 

Much like you, I don’t go to church and I don’t mix with them. Churches are breading grounds for gossip, phoniness, envy, evil. etc. I study my bible and I talk to Jesus. And I do my deeds as far as practicing my Christianity as best as I can.

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Posted: 26 December 2017 05:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Lausten - 21 December 2017 09:57 AM
InBetween - 21 December 2017 09:44 AM

I will be very much interested in going through the NT you and I to just explore what’s REALLY in there.

You keep saying that, and I keep saying I’ll gladly take you up on it. But you keep “missing it” somehow. So far, you have only put up a few random verses and then claimed there is more to it. This is what I saw for 17 years in the United Methodist church. But, lucky me, I found you! Please begin my education.

NO I never kept on saying anything. When I say something once, you claim it’s repetitive. Unless you can’t count til 10. Either that or you see double or multiple.

This is where you problem is: You look to fault Christ while you claim you are looking for him. Let me burst your bubble: YOu are NOT looking to find Christ, you are looking to FIND fault with him. THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Those are diametrically opposed stands.  Looking to DISCREDIT someone has nothing to do with looking to find Who they are or what they’re about.

And in doing so, you are dong the work of the devil. Good Morning!  So don’t ever expect to find Christ. Anybody who has a basic elementary knowledge of the English language KNOWS what’s in the bible. And it is not “believe in Jesus and you will be saved.” repeated over and over and over and over and over throughout the 260 chapters.

Jeremiah 29:13 says “You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.”

For the honest student, the bible answers its own questions. One does not need to go else where.

So, I take you are not “very much interested in going through the NT” then? Figured as much.

I hope you post something interesting someday.

Meanwhile, here’s a question for you live with. If you only need a basic elementary knowledge of the English language to KNOW what’s in the Bible, why are people who have seminary degrees, and spending every week studying the scripture so they can speak on it having so much trouble? Not only do they seem to believe the people in the pews need to hear another lesson every Sunday, they can’t get together and agree with each other about what the scripture means. If they could, the trend would be toward greater spiritual unity and greater understanding across borders and fewer denominations. Instead, we see the exact opposite. Why is that?

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Posted: 26 December 2017 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Posted: 26 December 2017 06:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Lausten - 26 December 2017 05:44 PM

I hope you post something interesting someday.

Say that to yourself. And when you do, try to act on it.

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Posted: 26 December 2017 06:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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The forum won’t let me post my input in one post, so here is the second part Lausten:

Meanwhile, here’s a question for you live with. If you only need a basic elementary knowledge of the English language to KNOW what’s in the Bible, why are people who have seminary degrees, and spending every week studying the scripture so they can speak on it having so much trouble? Not only do they seem to believe the people in the pews need to hear another lesson every Sunday, they can’t get together and agree with each other about what the scripture means. If they could, the trend would be toward greater spiritual unity and greater understanding across borders and fewer denominations. Instead, we see the exact opposite. Why is that?

You’re talking about your Cult. Look up what the NT says about it.  OH, never mind, I forgot you can’t read. Oh, well….

Luke 1:52-53 says this:

—((( He has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.
...
He has filled the hungry with good things
  but has sent the rich away empty handed.
)))—

And as far as “NEEDING” the people in the pew don’t need anything it is your cult that led them to believe it is a mortal sin to not attend mass, because they know Sunday is PAY DAAAAY…. GET IT?  or more like capisce?


... As I said:::::: The bible answers its own questions. One does not need to go to child rapist for advice.

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Posted: 26 December 2017 06:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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InBetween - 26 December 2017 05:58 PM

  And I do my deeds as far as practicing my Christianity as best as I can.

In effect it becomes a matter of semantics. You call it Christianity, I call it Humanism. If the result is the same, then the Terms we use are basically irrelevant. “Walking the walk” is more important than “Talking the talk”. IMO. kiss

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Posted: 26 December 2017 07:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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InBetween - 26 December 2017 06:08 PM

And as far as “NEEDING” the people in the pew don’t need anything it is your cult that led them to believe it is a mortal sin to not attend mass, because they know Sunday is PAY DAAAAY…. GET IT?  or more like capisce?

I don’t know why you keep saying things about Catholics. I was a United Methodist for 17 years, now I’m atheist. And the question was about all Christians. You know, the ones who go to church every Sunday, all over the world.

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Posted: 26 December 2017 07:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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  And I do my deeds as far as practicing my Christianity as best as I can.

In effect it becomes a matter of semantics. You call it Christianity, I call it Humanism. If the result is the same, then the Terms we use are basically irrelevant. “Walking the walk” is more important than “Talking the talk”. IMO. kiss

Before you walk the walk, you have to talk it First in your head or with someone else. Humanism is relative. Christianity isn’t. It is tolerant but it isn’t relative. It might be inclusive of humanism though, based at least on the Romans 2:14 verse as well as other verses that back that one up.

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