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Posted: 17 November 2017 11:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Boris - 15 November 2017 03:04 PM

The reality is the Jews Christians Muslims etc all worship the Zoroastrian god thingy and are in reality Zoroastrians

I am an idiot, would please mind elaborating on that? I would very much appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Ok look at the Second Isaiah - 40 to 48 this is a direct word-for word parallel with Yasna 44 of the Gathas - they copied it

Look at Paradise a word and concept from the Avesta - the Zoroastrian Holy Book

Look at the Eschatology - Pure Zoroastrian

They are all Zoroastrian

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Posted: 18 November 2017 05:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Boris - 17 November 2017 11:53 PM

Ok look at the Second Isaiah - 40 to 48 this is a direct word-for word parallel with Yasna 44 of the Gathas - they copied it

 

Similar, sure, but not “copied”. You could find lots of scripture that praises god like that and says he is the source of all things.

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Posted: 18 November 2017 09:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Lausten - 15 November 2017 11:50 AM

How cute. Mike has a friend. Go play you two.

What a nice post.  Wonder what our religious scholars have to say about the 1st or 2nd milineums of anno domini?

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Posted: 18 November 2017 03:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Lausten - 18 November 2017 05:42 AM
Boris - 17 November 2017 11:53 PM

Ok look at the Second Isaiah - 40 to 48 this is a direct word-for word parallel with Yasna 44 of the Gathas - they copied it

 

Similar, sure, but not “copied”. You could find lots of scripture that praises god like that and says he is the source of all things.

The entire Old Testament was written in the Persian Period - some from older stories but only written down after the liberation by Cyrus the Great.

So it was written down under the guidance and instruction of the Zoroastrian Magi who had warm relations with the Jews for 500 years even after the Persian Period ended.

Yasna 44 and the Gathas is in the Avesta and was written by Zoroaster himself - nothing whatsoever to do with Judaism and the 2nd Isaiah - 40 to 48 is a “striking parallel” with Yasna 44.

So what you have to understand is that the 2nd Isaiah was a radical departure and massive turning point of the Hebrew / Jewish religion and it is the first imprint of Zoroastrianism on the Jews.

There are many more but this one - the 2nd Isaiah is the very first. This is where the Jews became Zoroastrians.

The very first Monotheistic statement is in the 2nd Isaiah - Isaiah 44:6

“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

But anything resembling monotheistic statements before this verse was also written by redactors in the Persian Period

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Posted: 18 November 2017 03:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Boris - 18 November 2017 03:02 PM
Lausten - 18 November 2017 05:42 AM
Boris - 17 November 2017 11:53 PM

Ok look at the Second Isaiah - 40 to 48 this is a direct word-for word parallel with Yasna 44 of the Gathas - they copied it

 

Similar, sure, but not “copied”. You could find lots of scripture that praises god like that and says he is the source of all things.

The entire Old Testament was written in the Persian Period - some from older stories but only written down after the liberation by Cyrus the Great.

So it was written down under the guidance and instruction of the Zoroastrian Magi who had warm relations with the Jews for 500 years even after the Persian Period ended.

Yasna 44 and the Gathas is in the Avesta and was written by Zoroaster himself - nothing whatsoever to do with Judaism and the 2nd Isaiah - 40 to 48 is a “striking parallel” with Yasna 44.

So what you have to understand is that the 2nd Isaiah was a radical departure and massive turning point of the Hebrew / Jewish religion and it is the first imprint of Zoroastrianism on the Jews.

There are many more but this one - the 2nd Isaiah is the very first. This is where the Jews became Zoroastrians.

The very first Monotheistic statement is in the 2nd Isaiah - Isaiah 44:6

“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

But anything resembling monotheistic statements before this verse was also written by redactors in the Persian Period

Don’t forget the word “Paradise” if you believe that concept you ar4e by definition a Zoroastrian as that word and concept is Avestan and Zoroastrian.

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Posted: 21 November 2017 04:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Write4U - 17 November 2017 06:48 PM


I don’t deny that scripture contains some wisdom.  But many other books contain great wisdom.

I have a list of books I am going through, reading, and few of them are written by famous Atheists so I agree.

The engine begins to fail when you neglect it or use it for purposes other than it was designed. IMO, that is the problem, a poorly maintained engine will fail, because it is a physical thing.

AGREED but the bible in essence is not even physical as words are matterless? can I say that? I mean they are meant to be spoken and acted on. Not manned as one would machinery for example. You guys and girls have had the privilege to go to College and what not. Not so for some of us. So for us, the bible in a sense IS College. I know this sounds ludicrous and pathetic. The bible is a speck of what has been said that we need to account for.  For example, How the book of John ends:

“Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” ~~John 21:25~~
Here’s another verse that gives a glimpse into that:
“All things were created for him and through him, He is Before all things and in him, all things hold together.” //Colossians 1:16,17~~
The following analogy gets often given during a Christian service to illustrate that downtrodden are still precious regardless of the enduring and humiliation they are put through:
“One takes a 100 dollars bill, stump on it, kick it with their foot and what not, by the time they’re done and take it back it is still of the same value.”. I personally believe that that applies to the bible as well. Throughout centuries, it has been disfigured, caricatured even corrupted and viciously Exploited by man. But to this day, it is still precious regardless. 

 

History shows that individuals often fail to maintain the words of wisdom contained in scripture. Because words are just that, words, not an engine.

On the other hand, words are what starts the building of an engine. Whether thought, written or exchanged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk81tUUhRig

I love George Carlin. If it was up to me we’d have A George Carlin day.  But he is wrong about the picking of # 10. The bible has lots of 3’s, 7’s, 40’s etc.  but no repeated 10’s. So No. It was not picked for the reasons he said. Although I don’t disagree with “keep thy religion to thyself.”, he doesn’t apply that when it comes to his religion of anti-religion thank god for that. He is awesome, I absolutely adore the guy.
There is a utube vid that claims he was killed with CIA heart attack gun. He was a very dangerous guy as he really did wake people Up. So there could be something to it.

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Posted: 21 November 2017 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Boris - 17 November 2017 11:50 PM

Isaiah 40:10

Stolen from the Zoroastrians - Isaiah 40-48 striking parallel with Yasna 44 of the Gathas written by Zoroaster

Which means Jews Christians and Muslims are actually Zoroastrians as they worship the Zoroastrian god thingy and have Zoroastrian beliefs


Christianity is also half Buddhist. All those good fuzzy things that make one feel good in the NT are in essence Buddhist. Along with the reincarnation verses (Malachi 4:5//////Matthew 17:10-13).
There is a reason why Marcion said that the God of the NT could not possibly be the same god spoken of in the OT. According to him, The OT god’s name was changed to “LORD”, which is A title and not a name. It was changed to smooth out the contrast between the 2. And CONSTRAST there sure is. If Jesus was really the son of the OT god, why his teachings were drastically different from those of the other as obedient as he was?

To me, it is irrelevant how they were gathered. I am just Glad and Grateful Jesus brought them over into my life so I could learn from them and try to apply them directly. I saw him couple times, NO matter how some would work to deconstruct the bible, in my mind they will never be able to deconstruct him. I love learning from and about him. I think he is the most fascinating being who ever existed. Even when I learn something which doesn’t seem to fit the official story, it makes me want to learn about him all the more. As Romans 8:28 I think says:
“And we know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him and who are called according to his purpose.”. Not that I think that highly of myself.  I don’t. This Guy got me by the neck. And I kind of don’t want to try to get away. Like Paul said “I am in chains for Christ”.

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Posted: 21 November 2017 08:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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The god thingy,

Actually I like that title. It disconnects Original Causality from any humanlike attributes.

I don’t think anyone would dispute that there was an Original Causality, but to give this Causality any kind of human emotional attributes is preposterous, IMO.

As an ex-musician I can get behind “string theory” and as a retired bookkeeper I can get behind a purely “mathematical theory”

In fact I see these as having a strong connection to each other.  Strings vibrate and create waves of specfic frequencies, which give mathematicalvalue to the waves.

Mathematical values are deterministic in how strings and waves behave. I see a natural affinity between the two.

Now if we add Bohm’s Pilot Wave theory, which identifies the “wholeness and implicate orders”, which create a hierarchical evolutionary process of “potentials becoming expressed”, it seems to me we have identified the fundamental ingredients necessary for a “probabilistic causality”, a form of cascading “causalities and specific effects”, IOW a dynamic medium such as the Higgs field which has a non-zero value and is responsible for giving mass to random values.

Renate Loll et al, have added a final ingredient by introducing “fractality” to the menu and to me this probabilistic menu, given sufficient time and amounts, the near infinite energy generated (even if it started as a singularity), might well lead to a spontaneously cascading release of this energy (BB), which created the “Higgs Field” which gives mass to individual values.

I may be wrong in certain details here, but as Hazen said in his lecture on chemical interactions, the process must have been somewhat similar to this progressive dynamical formation of the universe as we know it today.

No emotionally motivated intent driving this process, just probabilities and sufficient space and time give these basic ingredients and their potentials a high probability of becoming expressed.

If you haven seen this, watch the Hazen lecture at the Carnegie Institute on how living organisms almost certainly evolved, from purely chemical interactions.  If inanimate chemicals can give rise to life, it seems that such a probabilistic process might well have happened at a much more subtle scale, giving rise to the universe itself.

It is really a very informative and easy to follow lecture.
Start the clip at 25:10 to avoid a lengthy introduction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlAQLgTwJ_A&t=13s

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Posted: 21 November 2017 10:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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AMH - 18 November 2017 09:17 AM
Lausten - 15 November 2017 11:50 AM

How cute. Mike has a friend. Go play you two.

What a nice post.  Wonder what our religious scholars have to say about the 1st or 2nd milineums of anno domini?

Need to go back in time more for major Zoroastrian events. But, basically, Jesus took a lot of the same pathways as Zoroaster. Zoroaster was more into the “Word” (knowledge) than the bible. But the Gnostic teachings of Jesus was “knowledge” based. Jesus just didn’t live long enough for his Gnostic religion to take hold. I find it interesting that burials at the Temple Mount had change around the time of Jesus to the use of Ossuaries. The Zoroastrian in Asia were also using ossuaries.

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Posted: 22 November 2017 12:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Jesus never existed - its all made up and nothing to do with history

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Posted: 22 November 2017 09:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Boris - 22 November 2017 12:21 AM

Jesus never existed - its all made up and nothing to do with history

Who made it up?

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Posted: 22 November 2017 11:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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InBetween - 21 November 2017 04:37 PM

AGREED but the bible in essence is not even physical as words are matterless? can I say that? I mean they are meant to be spoken and acted on. Not manned as one would machinery for example. You guys and girls have had the privilege to go to College and what not. Not so for some of us. So for us, the bible in a sense IS College. I know this sounds ludicrous and pathetic. The bible is a speck of what has been said that we need to account for.  For example, How the book of John ends:

“Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” ~~John 21:25~~

I’m working my way through the 3 year Lectionary over at milepost100.com. One of my purposes is to address this very issue. When I talk to people about the Bible they say there are incredible stories that would inspire me, but they don’t seem to actually know any. There is really just the one story, that he died and was raised. After that, you get some talk about morality, that is not better than you can find elsewhere. You get some sly manipulation of the political situation at the time, That’s fine, but doesn’t always apply to us today.

Am I wrong? Then inspire me. Give me something other than he “did many things”.

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Posted: 22 November 2017 11:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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Write4U - 21 November 2017 08:13 PM

The god thingy,

Actually I like that title. It disconnects Original Causality from any humanlike attributes.

I don’t think anyone would dispute that there was an Original Causality, but to give this Causality any kind of human emotional attributes is preposterous, IMO.

It’s definitely a “thingy”, not something well defined. The physics underlying creation are important, but I define “god” as a concept that arose out of other reasoning capabilities that we developed. Everything from an overactive agent detection to a place holder for things we don’t yet understand.

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Posted: 22 November 2017 01:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Write4U - 21 November 2017 08:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlAQLgTwJ_A&t=13s

I was turned off when I heard him ask the cliché question “are we alone in the universe?” He knows we are NOT alone. He Knows that. We are not alone on Earth. There are millions of insects, millions of fish, 1000’s of animals, the Alien Grays are living under ground, etc. But in regard to the Universe, which is billions of billions of billions times bigger than Earth? we are alone. Yeah, right. Same dough, different day, different place. Next. This is how you guys discredit yourselves. You do because you want to please those who are pulling your strings from upstairs. You cannot have it both ways.

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Posted: 22 November 2017 02:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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InBetween - 22 November 2017 01:29 PM

This is how you guys discredit yourselves. You do because you want to please those who are pulling your strings from upstairs. You cannot have it both ways.

What are you talking about? What both ways?

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