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Posted: 29 November 2017 09:48 AM   [ Ignore ]
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How can God exist before time began?That never made sense to me.

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Posted: 29 November 2017 11:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Philosophically it’s one of the few arguments that has some sense to it. We can’t comprehend something uncaused, that’s the challenge. We don’t have words for the time before time. So, just say there was something existed before everything else, and call it God. Then give it whatever powers you want.

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batman lover - 29 November 2017 09:48 AM

How can God exist before time began?That never made sense to me.

The trick is to not get suckered into a bad question in the first place. You’ve already assumed you know what’s meant by the term “god”, enough so that you’ve capitalized it, i.e. played into religionists hands.

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Posted: 30 November 2017 11:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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batman lover - 29 November 2017 09:48 AM

How can God exist before time began?That never made sense to me.

Is that the only thing?

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Posted: 01 December 2017 08:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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batman lover - 29 November 2017 09:48 AM

How can God exist before time began?That never made sense to me.

In dealing with what we call time we are referring to only time in the universe in which we live.  So before the big bang, no time   existed for us but our scientists now say that an unlimited numbered of inverses probably exists an we have no idea of how many of them came before our universe, so when did time start, currently there is now way of knowing.  So when referring to “time”, think really damn old.

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Posted: 01 December 2017 08:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Lausten - 29 November 2017 11:15 AM

Philosophically it’s one of the few arguments that has some sense to it. We can’t comprehend something uncaused, that’s the challenge. We don’t have words for the time before time. So, just say there was something existed before everything else, and call it God. Then give it whatever powers you want.

I call it ,
Potential. (That which may become reality).
I guess this is what David Bohm was talking about in his book; “Wholeness and the Implicate Order”

And we do know a few things about the fundamental concepts of Potential as making educated guesses of a probabilistic future realities.

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batman lover - 29 November 2017 09:48 AM

How can God exist before time began?That never made sense to me.

Time is not linear but simultaneous.

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batman lover - 29 November 2017 09:48 AM

How can God exist before time began?That never made sense to me.

Time is not linear but simultaneous.

So, when was t = 0 before G = t1 ?

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batman lover - 29 November 2017 09:48 AM

How can God exist before time began?That never made sense to me.

Good. You’re thinking.


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Posted: 04 December 2017 02:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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batman lover - 29 November 2017 09:48 AM

How can God exist before time began?That never made sense to me.

Time is not linear but simultaneous.

So, when was t = 0 before G = t1 ?

I am starting to envy people who physically interact with you daily,
for the opportunities of interesting conversations they must be able to pick with you grin .

The answer is: For example if you build a computer from scratch. Time table for that computer begins the moment you gather its components.  Or not even, it begins when that computer becomes functional and fully operational. You having existed prior to that, places you outside of the flex of that computer’s time frame. The same works for God. He is outside of the flex of our time. I bet you a hundred dollars he/she does not even refer to him/herself as “God”. Only Unsecure beings need such phony cocky elevations. Just based on how the bible portrays Jesus, Notice how the Guy is so humble and meek, yet Highly Capable Being!! We, Christians know him as our Savior, but he never was documented to demand that anyone addresses him as such. In Fact throughout the bible he always referred to himself as “the son of man”.
And G must be equal to probably Minus something, not necessary Zero. Below that. I would guess.
Just across the Globe, or only the USA, there 4 time zones I think. As different as they all are, they are all happening at the same time. This is a perfect sample for the rest of Time as we know it.

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Posted: 04 December 2017 08:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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batman lover - 29 November 2017 09:48 AM

How can God exist before time began?That never made sense to me.

Time is not linear but simultaneous.

So, when was t = 0 before G = t1 ?

I am starting to envy people who physically interact with you daily,
for the opportunities of interesting conversations they must be able to pick with you grin .

The answer is: For example if you build a computer from scratch. Time table for that computer begins the moment you gather its components.  Or not even, it begins when that computer becomes functional and fully operational. You having existed prior to that, places you outside of the flex of that computer’s time frame. The same works for God. He is outside of the flex of our time. I bet you a hundred dollars he/she does not even refer to him/herself as “God”. Only Unsecure beings need such phony cocky elevations. Just based on how the bible portrays Jesus, Notice how the Guy is so humble and meek, yet Highly Capable Being!! We, Christians know him as our Savior, but he never was documented to demand that anyone addresses him as such. In Fact throughout the bible he always referred to himself as “the son of man”.
And G must be equal to probably Minus something, not necessary Zero. Below that. I would guess.
Just across the Globe, or only the USA, there 4 time zones I think. As different as they all are, they are all happening at the same time. This is a perfect sample for the rest of Time as we know it.

BTW, I do agree that time is a “simultaneous” product of a continued existence.

But you post implies that there never was t = 0, IOW infinite time and infinite existence of something outside of this universe.
My perspective is that before the universe became explicated, there existed a timeless permittive condition with certain fundamental mathematical potentials, which by some mechanism gave rise to the Implication of becoming expressed in reality as our universe.

This perspective is a result of reading David Bohm’s book “Wholeness and the Implicate Order”. This book was at first soundly rejected, but has steadily gained a following in the scientific community.

David Bohm was an erstwhile eminent physicist and philosopher and friend of Einstein and developed Bohmian Mechanics which rest on the universal concept of the DeBroglie-Bohm Pilot Wave theory, which actually resolves the conflict between QM and GR, but assumes hidden variables, which is still questioned by mainstream science.

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Posted: 05 December 2017 04:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Write4U - 04 December 2017 08:29 PM

But you post implies that there never was t = 0, IOW infinite time and infinite existence of something outside of this universe.

No I did not. I gave a defined example,  a begnin example. That example is not analogeous of how the universe or mulitiverse aught to be.

My perspective is that before the universe became explicated, there existed a timeless permittive condition with certain fundamental mathematical potentials, which by some mechanism gave rise to the Implication of becoming expressed in reality as our universe.

I am not being sarcastic here, this is an honest question: and you don’t think, that this “timeless permittive condition” as sofisticated and highly complex as you portray it to be must have some type of A command center or brain, out of which it aught to run its routine checks, calculations, analysises etc.? Please keep in mind that one does not have to necessarily exclude the other. To me, they are perfectly compatible.

This perspective is a result of reading David Bohm’s book “Wholeness and the Implicate Order”. This book was at first soundly rejected, but has steadily gained a following in the scientific community.

David Bohm was an erstwhile eminent physicist and philosopher and friend of Einstein and developed Bohmian Mechanics which rest on the universal concept of the DeBroglie-Bohm Pilot Wave theory , which actually resolves the conflict between QM and GR, but assumes hidden variables, which is still questioned by mainstream science.

I just looked up the book, it’s a really good. believe it or not, I am going to read it as there is a pdf version of it on google. Your post is an example of how you people fascinate me. You are like little gods LOL. You know? ...like Apprentice-gods. You really go out there and proceed to do your homework. I looked up everything you mentioned in your post, so it proved to be a good little study. For which I thank you from the heart. Please keep them coming…

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