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NET NEUTRALITY in trouble again.
Posted: 24 December 2017 09:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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AMH - 24 December 2017 01:35 PM

Trump led republicans are about dismantling.

Republicans , conservatives, and empowered Christians are all seriously outside the world I live in.

True enough, unfortunately we’ve allowed them to take over the reigns of power, where do we go from here . . . . . . .

Have you given up voting?

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Posted: 25 December 2017 01:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 24 December 2017 09:42 PM
AMH - 24 December 2017 01:35 PM

Trump led republicans are about dismantling.

Republicans , conservatives, and empowered Christians are all seriously outside the world I live in.

True enough, unfortunately we’ve allowed them to take over the reigns of power, where do we go from here . . . . . . .

Have you given up voting?

Well, we’re already paying for water, now it will be the air waves, soon it will be the air itself.

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Posted: 25 December 2017 03:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 23 December 2017 11:04 PM
LoisL - 23 December 2017 08:05 PM

They’re Republicans. What do you expect?

I think it’s more a question of, what are we gonna do?

We can’t do much with Repunlicans in the majority in Congress and a Republican in the White House. Our hands are tied. As soon as net neutrality sets in watch your Internet speed slow down. Then the providers will magically sell you a deal for faster service which will cost a lot more than you’re paying now. Also watch for some websites being inaccessible unless you buy an extra access package.

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Posted: 28 December 2017 08:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Here are a few thoughts from US Representative Al Grayson,

Welcome to digital deceit, cyber-subterfuge: The end of net neutrality

How would you feel if the telephone company wouldn’t let you call your mom?
Not your mother in law; your mom.
Or if the phone company made you pay extra to call your mom. Or told you that you couldn’t call your mom unless she became a customer. Or said that if you called your mom, you’d have to call Aunt Millie, too. Or made the line buzz every time you called her.
That may be what it’s going to be like on the internet, with net neutrality repealed.
The reason why phone companies can’t do any of the things above is that they are “common carriers,” and common carriers are not allowed to discriminate among callers (or “callees”). You can call anyone you want, and anyone can call you, period, as long as the caller pays for the call. That’s the law.
“Net neutrality” applied that same rule to the internet. When net neutrality was in effect, you could browse any website, anywhere in the world, on the same terms. That was the law.
In 2014, the Obama administration’s Federal Communications Commission (FCC) instituted net neutrality. (In 2010, I said that I favored a statute, or even a constitutional amendment, to protect net neutrality.)
Under net neutrality, your internet service providers (ISP) could charge you for delivering the internet to you, but it could not charge extra for Facebook or Youtube or any other content provider. Nor could it charge that content provider, nor could it block or slow any content provider.
The Trump administration’s FCC repealed net neutrality last week. This will allow ISPs to discriminate among websites, by preventing you from accessing websites, or charging you (or the website) extra for whatever sites it wants, or slowing down your connection to certain sites.
Think of it this way:

Internet indoctrination
Digital deceit
Cyber-subterfuge
The World-Wide-Whitewash or
The Information Highway Giveaway

Well you’re thinking, “if my ISP does that, I’ll just choose a different ISP.”

But you can’t.

The cable TV companies have a chokehold on “fast internet” service (faster than 25 Mbps downloads) in the U.S. Satellite and phone internet, their competitors, are nowhere near as fast. And virtually all of us have only one cable tv provider. It’s a legal monopoly.

To make matters worse, just two companies, Comcast and Charter, own around 70 percent of those cable TV lines. Even if that weren’t true, though, only one of them would have your house wired, and that’s what matters to you.

Google made $79 billion in advertising revenue last year. Comcast has 23 million internet subscribers. With net neutrality dead, this it would be child’s play for Comcast to block Google, substitute its own Google-like service (called “Coogle”?), and steal all the advertising revenue. Same thing for Facebook, Wikipedia, Yahoo, Reddit, Amazon, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, Netflix, eBay, and the Huffington Post.

And once people “cut the cord,” giving up cable or satellite TV in favor of the internet, then without net neutrality to protect you, your ISP will be able to determine what news you hear. Fox News could pay Comcast to be the only source of news on the internet for 23 million families. The new Fox News motto will be this “Fox News: if you don’t like us, then turn off the internet.”

Or MSNBC. You get the idea.

Think it couldn’t happen? Well, last year, Comcast didn’t like the deal it had to transmit Yankees games on its cable system, so it just took the Yankees off the air in New York and New Jersey. For a year.

In fact, net neutrality was instituted because a phony company tried to block an internet company from transmitting phone calls. So, of course they will try to do it again.

Now that the Trump administration has had it’s way, Internet R.I.P.

Read the article here http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-fcc-breaks-internet-20171218-story.html  and if you’d like to see someone in Congress fighting to reenact Net Neutrality, donate to our campaign>>
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Alan Grayson

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Posted: 02 January 2018 11:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Grayson’s op-ed is completely stupid and will be successful in scaring people who don’t know how the internet works, but these examples of retardation warrant a response from me:

Think it couldn’t happen? Well, last year, Comcast didn’t like the deal it had to transmit Yankees games on its cable system, so it just took the Yankees off the air in New York and New Jersey. For a year.

OMG WOW COMCAST CABLE TEMPORARILY DROPPED A LOCAL SPORTS NETWORK OVER A CONTRACTUAL DISPUTE. This has nothing to do with the internet, nor is it illegal or unusual. New York Yankees have their own network and its owners were trying to milk more money out of comcast. Cable companies fighting with networks is nothing new.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Comcast-YES-Dispute-Angers-Yankees-Fans-374547871.html

In fact, net neutrality was instituted because a phony company tried to block an internet company from transmitting phone calls. So, of course they will try to do it again.

This is referring to AT+T and Apple blocking skype (online video-phone) on Iphone 1 - which is capitalism in action. Of course net neutrality didn’t exist in 2007-2009, and it would not have made a difference if it had in this case because net neutrality applied only to telecom - which Apple was not - so they were free to do what they wanted. If net neutrality was instituted to prevent ruthless competion between online companies it failed miserably.

https://www.wired.com/2009/10/iphone-att-skype/

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Posted: 03 January 2018 12:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 23 December 2017 08:06 AM

The internet is a common carrier - treat it as such.

Technically false, the internet is a massive system of computer networks, it can’t be regulated in itself. If you want all data to be regulated in the fairest possible way then ISPs, the tech companies, browsers, and social media must be included. Net neutrality fell way short of that.

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Posted: 03 January 2018 04:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Beltane - 03 January 2018 12:00 AM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 23 December 2017 08:06 AM

The internet is a common carrier - treat it as such.

Technically false, the internet is a massive system of computer networks, it can’t be regulated in itself. If you want all data to be regulated in the fairest possible way then ISPs, the tech companies, browsers, and social media must be included. Net neutrality fell way short of that.

Explain.

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Posted: 03 January 2018 08:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Beltane - 02 December 2017 11:47 AM

Do you even know what this is about?

We know, Beltane. You apparently don’t. You will never know.


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Posted: 04 January 2018 09:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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LoisL - 03 January 2018 08:58 PM
Beltane - 02 December 2017 11:47 AM

Do you even know what this is about?

We know, Beltane. You apparently don’t. You will never know.


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Nursing home ramblings go in the philosophy subforum.

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Posted: 04 January 2018 09:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 03 January 2018 04:56 AM
Beltane - 03 January 2018 12:00 AM
Citizenschallenge-v.3 - 23 December 2017 08:06 AM

The internet is a common carrier - treat it as such.

Technically false, the internet is a massive system of computer networks, it can’t be regulated in itself. If you want all data to be regulated in the fairest possible way then ISPs, the tech companies, browsers, and social media must be included. Net neutrality fell way short of that.

Explain.

NN only applied to ISPs.

Under the new rules—approved by the FCC in February and then released to the public in March—Internet service providers like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast are not allowed to block lawful content, slow down applications or services, or accept fees for favored treatment.

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