A Case that CFI needs to look into (Prosecution in Finland)
Posted: 13 April 2007 04:33 AM   [ Ignore ]
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The details are currently slim, but it seems that a group of men in Finland may be being prosecuted under a "freedom of worship" law there for posting cartoons of Muhammad on their website.

http://virtual.finland.fi/stt/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=12406&group=General

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011146.php

If this is the case, this is a very alarming precedent that goes against any notion of free inquiry and freedom of speech and freedom to criticize religion.

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Posted: 13 April 2007 07:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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This just in. Supposedly the case has now been dropped.

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Posted: 13 April 2007 07:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Interesting, RR. Thanks for the info and update.

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Posted: 13 April 2007 04:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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[quote author=“rationalrevolution”]If this is the case, this is a very alarming precedent that goes against any notion of free inquiry and freedom of speech and freedom to criticize religion.

Well, you have to remember that each country has the right to do whatever their citizenry decides is acceptable.  While it may be against our notion of free inquiry and freedom in the U.S., Canada, or the rest of the British empire, Finland is a separate country.

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Posted: 16 April 2007 04:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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[quote author=“Occam”][quote author=“rationalrevolution”]If this is the case, this is a very alarming precedent that goes against any notion of free inquiry and freedom of speech and freedom to criticize religion.

Well, you have to remember that each country has the right to do whatever their citizenry decides is acceptable.  While it may be against our notion of free inquiry and freedom in the U.S., Canada, or the rest of the British empire, Finland is a separate country.

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That’s absolute nonsense. Human rights and ethics transcend nationality. All human rights organizations work on this principle, or else we would simply say that its okay for other countries to have slaves, to commit genocide, etc.

What you claim is just nationalist exist for inaction.

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Posted: 16 April 2007 04:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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RR, while you have (as usual) some very interesting points to make here, let’s try to dial down the rhetorical force a bit. OK? It will make for a smoother discussion.

Thanks much.

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Posted: 16 April 2007 08:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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RR, read my post carefully.  I said that as a sovereign nation they have the “right” to limit the freedoms of their citizens, NOT that it was OK.  I agree that human rights organizations work toward having all nations operate with ethics and humanism. 

There are millions of instances in every country where people are treated less than humanely.  I don’t agree with any of these occurances.  However, by the definition of a separate nation, and as wrong and unethical as we see it, they do have the right to impose limitations on their citizens. 

Only when those limitations are thoroughly egregious can we expect other countries and the U.N. to interfere. 

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