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James and the Jesus Family Tomb Ossuaries
Posted: 20 June 2007 02:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I don’t doubt that Jesus—the historical man—actually roamed the earth; I doubt that he was the son of god or in any way divine or supernatural.

Besides, even if we found his bones, “they” wouldn’t be convinced that he wasn’t resurrected.  They’d say that his soul left his physical body or something weird like that.  It’s a lost cause.

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the hate mail page of the holy church of the flying spaghetti monster online

Narwhol is right:

it puts it all into context.

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Posted: 20 June 2007 06:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Well, Christians were known for mugging other myths.

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Posted: 27 November 2011 10:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Apparently the inscription on the James Ossuary is going to turn out to be authentic (or at leat not declared a fake). 

In terms of the Jesus family tomb, I was looking at the chevron and circle symbol at the supposed Jesus family tomb, and it reminded me of Kierkegaard.  Kierkegaard always emphasized the “contradiction” of the God-man in the figure of Jesus (the contradiction of being both man and God).  The symbol of the “V and circle” at the Jesus family tomb almost looks like the combination of an ancient carpenter’s square (representing the square), and the circle.  The symbol at the tomb may mean the contradiction of the man-God in Jesus, the “square circle.”  A square circle is a classic example of a “Contradictio in terminis (Latin for contradiction in terms).”  The principle of non-contradiction vastly predates Christianity.

In 2010, using a specialized robotic camera, Tabor and Jacobovici, working with archaeologists, geologists, and forensic anthropologists, explored a previously unexcavated tomb in Jerusalem from around the time of Jesus. They made a remarkable discovery. The tomb contained several ossuaries, or bone boxes, two of which were carved with an iconic image and a Greek inscription. Taken together, the image and the inscription constitute the earliest archaeological evidence of faith in Jesus’ resurrection.

Since the newly discovered ossuaries can be reliably dated to before 70 AD, when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans, they also provide the first evidence in Jerusalem of the people who would later be called “Christians.” In fact, it is possible, maybe even likely, that whoever was buried in this tomb knew Jesus and heard him preach.

The newly examined tomb is only 200 feet away from the so-called Jesus Family Tomb. This controversial tomb, excavated in 1980 and recently brought to international attention, contained ossuaries inscribed with names associated with Jesus and his immediate family. Critics dismissed the synchronicity of names as mere coincidence. But the new discovery increases the likelihood that the “Jesus Family Tomb” is, indeed, the real tomb of Jesus of Nazareth. Tabor and Jacobovici discuss the evidence in support of this interpretation and describe how both tombs appear to have been part of the property of a wealthy individual, possibly Joseph of Arimathea, the man who, according to the gospels, buried Jesus.

The upcoming Jesus Discovery documentary and book explains how the recent find is revolutionizing our understanding of the earliest years of Christianity. Tabor and Jacobovici discuss what the concept of resurrection meant to the first followers of Jesus, particularly how it differed from the common understanding of the term today. Because the new archaeological discovery predates all other Christian documents, including the gospels, it offers a dramatic witness to what the people who knew Jesus believed.

The researchers are saying this is one of the most important archeaological discoveries ever made.

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Posted: 28 November 2011 12:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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The researchers are saying this is one of the most important archeaological discoveries ever made.

  Possibly for christians, but it’s of no importance to me, and probably most of the non-christian world.

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Posted: 28 November 2011 01:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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john76 - 27 November 2011 10:12 PM

Apparently the inscription on the James Ossuary is going to turn out to be authentic (or at leat not declared a fake).

Do you have a citation for this?

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Posted: 28 November 2011 04:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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dougsmith - 28 November 2011 01:34 PM
john76 - 27 November 2011 10:12 PM

Apparently the inscription on the James Ossuary is going to turn out to be authentic (or at leat not declared a fake).

Do you have a citation for this?

Actually, I thought it was declared a fake and this incident came close to closing up Biblical Archeology magazine, as they were pushing the claim for authenctiy when at least part of the insription was determined to be forged.

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Posted: 28 November 2011 04:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Mriana - 20 June 2007 06:57 PM

Well, Christians were known for mugging other myths.

All religions “borrowed” from they predecessors.  Otherwise the people they were preaching to would not have understood what they were talking about.

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Posted: 28 November 2011 04:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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garythehuman - 28 November 2011 04:39 PM

Actually, I thought it was declared a fake and this incident came close to closing up Biblical Archeology magazine, as they were pushing the claim for authenctiy when at least part of the insription was determined to be forged.

Right, it was declared quite roundly to be fake.

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Posted: 28 November 2011 05:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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http://www.bib-arch.org/press-james-ossuary.asp

You might want to read this post from BAR. Even though it leaves the argument open for authenticity, it does mention a key point. Namely, and Crossan points this out in his books, there were several Jesuses alive at the same time. In fact all of his family had names common to the area and the period. So even if the oussary is authentic it still doesn’t prove that these were THE james’s bones. And BTW the biblical jesus is mentioned ONLY within the context of the bible. The only other mention is in Josephus’s account of the Jewish wars and that was found to be a later addition.


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Posted: 28 November 2011 05:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Thanks Cap’t,
I quit following this several years ago and did not know the results of the trial.

From the article:

“In short, the committee, which included no non-Israeli, not even Professor Lemaire who had originally published the inscription in Biblical Archaeology Review and vouched for its authenticity, was bum-rushed into a supposedly unanimous decision.”

Next time they should get an Indian or Chinese or someone else that doesn’t have a Judea-Christian background to verify the research. cool smirk 

That the Biblical Jesus is a comliation of several individuals does seem to be a reasonable possibilityn to me.  Just there were several Ned Ludds

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Posted: 28 November 2011 11:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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garythehuman - 28 November 2011 04:41 PM
Mriana - 20 June 2007 06:57 PM

Well, Christians were known for mugging other myths.

All religions “borrowed” from they predecessors.  Otherwise the people they were preaching to would not have understood what they were talking about.

That’s what I was saying, except I would not use the word borrow, but that is a matter of opinion.  The Xian myth is just another rewrite of other previous myths set to a particular culture.  Unfortunately it was used to control the masses eventually.

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