I watched it.  I have a few muslim friends and knew of the Haj etc.  I watched it all and sorry to put my Simon Cowell hat on here but I found it rather boring and it didn’t tell me anything I hadn’t already heard.  However, I even sat theough the links to the islamic sites in the final masseges section.  I think you might like to learn how other religions do things, so please take a look at this site, with an open heart:

http://www.venganza.org/about

Please tell me what you honestly think.

Pragmatic Naturalist - 21 June 2007 12:30 PM

Can you give me an example of true fiction?

Harry Potter. En example of an untrue fiction was the existence of Troy until Schliemann proved it to be a reality.

sorry to put my Simon Cowell hat on here

It was soooo cabaret.

Harry Potter

Oh yea, forgot about him.

Can you give me an example of true fiction?  Since if there is untrue fiction there has to logically be true fiction… Right?  Wrong.

That would be non-fiction.  Fiction by it’s very nature is nothing but a story and has very little bases in truth, if any.  Non-fiction has it’s basis in truth.  Soooo, we are right back to square one- Religion by its vary nature is fiction and so is myth.

Mriana - 21 June 2007 02:18 PM

Can you give me an example of true fiction?

That would be non-fiction

Go to your local library and you’ll figure out the difference between fiction and non-fiction.  Fiction is nothing but stories.

Mriana - 21 June 2007 03:19 PM

Go to your local library and you’ll figure out the difference between fiction and non-fiction.  Fiction is nothing but stories.

I think I understand the difference between fiction and non-fiction. :grin: This is precisely why I am baffled by your answer when you say that non-fiction is an example of true fiction.

Stories are fictions, not an example of non-fiction.  Fiction is not true.  Non-fiction is like self-help books, auto-biographies, etc.  Although I could punch holes in some of those self-help books. 

Fiction is not true.

That is why “true fiction” is an oxymoron.

no0or - 21 June 2007 10:56 AM

But this is the true religion

Before I participate in this thread, I have ask, no0or, were you serious about that statement, or were you being ironic?

Occam

I think s/he was serious, but I could be wrong. The written word is deceptive.

The prophet Mohammed is the last prophet   and the book, the Koran, and cautioned us to Islam

tell you because I am afraid you from the punishment of Allah
This witness only this that the Holy Quran

http://muttaqun.com/quran/toc_eng.html

lesten the holy Quran

http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/

Al-Ikhlas
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3) And there is none comparable unto Him. (4)

arabc

سُوۡرَةُ الإخلاص
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

قُلۡ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ (١) ٱللَّهُ ٱلصَّمَدُ (٢) لَمۡ يَلِدۡ وَلَمۡ يُولَدۡ (٣) وَلَمۡ يَكُن لَّهُ ۥ ڪُفُوًا أَحَدُۢ (٤)

I bear witness that there is no God But Allah

I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

Allah is Great, Allah is Great

George - 21 June 2007 12:01 PM

Can you give me an example of true religion? Since if there are untrue religions there has to logically be true ones…

Sure. The Chalcolithc faith in the Great Mother Goddess. Other religions preach peace. A “true religion” would *deliver* peace.
it did. It is real simple to understand when you consider the problem a demagogue would have trying to rile up a mob or an army by claiming that *he* speaks in *HER* name. How many wars and genocides have you seen fought in the name of the Virgin Mary?

Course, Buddha’s characterization of the divine force has not been very useful either, so it has not caused much war. But it has not prevented much either. Most men are just not that psychologically capable of dealing with passion. The Great Mother faith solved that problem. It said sex was sacred.

As Mallory notes, the original Aryan language, aka Proto-Indo-European, or PIE, does not have a word for “marriage”. Men who do not own women do not fight over them, much less go to war for them. The faithful of the Great Mother Goddess lived polyamorously in communal houses, and it was the grandmothers, not the men who owned, as the Mosou still do, all the real estate and infrastructure which they used to ensure that the resources were there to properly raise the kids.

Because men were getting laid, they didnt try to exploit the system to get the luxury goods to attract and own harems. Because they didnt try to exploit the system, there was so much egalitarianism that there was no motivation for revolution.

What else does a “true religion” need to deliver besides peace?