In response to ticktock,
The steel need only be weakened to instigate a collapse.
Yes but steel must melt if it is to become molten steel.
Jet fuel was not the only flammable substance in the skyscraper, and the beams weren’t completely melted anyway.
NIST reported maximum upper layer air temperatures of about 1,000 degrees Celsius (1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the WTC towers. Steel melts at 1370 degrees C (2500°F). So how do you explain the molten metal in all three buildings?
From StopTheLie.com ”...nothing short of controlled demolition has ever brought down a steel framed building in the manner we witnessed on 9/11. Never, not once, not even close. This of course includes fire, earthquakes, wind, poor construction, etc.” I would add to this that a collision with a plane has also never brought down a steel-framed building in pre-911 history.
a huge gas-filled plane flying at 500 mph crashes into a skyscraper, causes a massive explosion, the force and energy of which weakens the beams and forces the building to collapse.
The WTC was designed to sustain multiple impacts with fully-loaded 707s
[the methods of controlled demolition] Require explosives, which were not witnessed or discovered on the building. You have no proof.
On the contrary: there is a plethora of evidence to support the controlled demolition theory.
From James Fetzer, Ph.D. (source)
(1) the impact of the planes cannot have caused enough damage to bring the
buildings down, since the buildings were designed to withstand them (as Frank
DeMartini, the project manager, has observed), the planes that hit were very
similar to those they were designed to withstand, they continued to stand after
the impact with negligible effects;
(2) the melting point of steel at 2,800*F is about 1,000*F higher than the
maximum burning temperature of jet-fuel-based fires, which do not exceed 1,800*F
under optimal conditions, so the fires cannot have caused the steel to melt,
which means that melting steel did not bring the buildings down;
(3) UL certified the steel in the buildings up to 2,000*F for at least six hours
before it would even significantly weaken, where these fires burned too low and
too briefly—about one hour in the South Tower and one and a half in the
North—to have even caused the steel to weaken, much less melt;
(4) if the steel had melted or weakened, the buildings would have displayed
completely different behavior, with some asymmetrical sagging and tilting, which
would have been gradual and slow, not the complete, abrupt, and total demolition
that was observed;
(5) there was not enough kinetic energy for the collapse of one floor to bring
about the collapse of the next lower floor, even if the impact of the planes and
the ensuing fires had been enough to cause the steel to weaken, which means
that, even if one floor had collapsed due to the impacts and the fires, that
could not have caused lower floors to fall;
(6) there was not enough kinetic energy for the collapse of one floor to bring
about the pulverization of the next floor, even if the impact of the planes and
the ensuing fires had been enough to cause the steel to weaken and one floor to
collapse upon another, which required a massive source of energy beyond any that
the government has considered;
(7) the destruction of the South Tower in 10 seconds and of the North in 11 is
even faster than free fall with only air resistance, which would have taken 12
seconds, which, as Judy Wood has emphaized, is an astounding result that would
have been impossible without extremely powerful explosives;
(8) the towers are exploding from the top, not collapsing to the ground, where
the floors do not move, a phenomenon that Judy Wood has likened to two gigantic
trees turning to sawdust from the top down, which, like the pulverization of the
concrete, the official account cannot possibly explain;
(9) pools of molten metal were found at the subbasement levels three, four, and
five weeks later, an effect that could not have been produced by the
plane-impact/jet-fuel-fire/pancake collapse scenario, which, of course, implies
that it was not produced by such a cause;
(10) WTC-7 came down in a classic controlled demolition at 5:20 PM/ET after
Larry Silverstein suggested the best thing to do might be to “pull it”,
displaying all the characteristics of classic controlled demolitions, including
a complete, abrupt, and total collapse into its own footprint, where the floors
are all falling at the same time, and so forth, an event so embarrassing to the
official account that it is not even mentioned in THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT;
Would you prefer visuals with that? You have an extra 10 minutes? Watch this
Like the probablity that the US government would start a war by flying innocent passengers into buildings filled with innocent people (and their own employees), and then the probablity that they would frame an organization that already hates us and previously attacked us, and then the probablity that all this would be done without one shred of evidence? I’d say the odds are not in your favor.
There was a time when I would have agreed with you. But the readily available documented history of “false flag” operations has led me to believe otherwise.
Alex Jones goes through several examples of past false flag terror (US and other) in his ‘Terrorstorm’ documentary
On the other hand, the probabilty that three steel-framed buildings would undergo perfect collapse due to fires for the first time in history, that 1000lb plane parts would land 8 miles from the plane’s crash site, that a 757 would vaporise upon impact with the pentagon without leaving any distinguishable wreckage, that the alleged hijackers were living in the US with an FBI agent, that cell phone calls were made from 8000ft for the first time in history, that hijacked plane wargames were coincidentally being conducted by NORAD during the 9/11 attacks, that the 9/11 Commission thought WTC 7 was too insignificant to include in its report, that Cheney’s Afghan pipeline had nothing to do with the war, that BBC accidentally reported on WTC7’s collapse 20 minutes before it fell, that Bush accidentally recalled seeing the first plane hit the WTC, that molten metal inexplicably appeared at the bottom of all three WTC rubble piles….the probability that all these phenomena (and more) occured by random chance collectively has got to be close to 1 in a trillion.
The only thing you can say is that CIA funded muhajadin fighters and Osama was one of those.
No that is not the only thing you can say. You can say much more about “al-CIAda:”
”Blowback”: The 1993 World Trade Center Bombing and After
At 18 minutes past noon on 26 February 1993, a huge truck bomb exploded in the underground parking garage beneath the twin towers of the New York World Trade Center. ... (9/11 Commission Report, chapter 3, p.71. [HTML version])...
The ensuing FBI investigation led to (amongst others) “terrorist mastermind” Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who was subsequently convicted on various terrorist charges, including a plot to bomb New York landmarks such as the UN building, the FBI headquarters and the Holland Tunnel.
Rahman’s record is revealing. Born in Egypt, he was “spiritual mentor” of several Islamist groups. These included Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which was later to “merge” with al-Qaeda, and more especially Jama’a Islamiya (the Islamic Group), which had formed from a split with Jihad (and was later to partially remerge with it). Rahman played a leading role in recruiting foreign Islamic fighters against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and also raised finance for the “holy war”. He was issued a US entry visa in 1987. In 1990, Rahman was interviewed in Khartoum, Sudan, by the CIA’s area station chief. He was subsequently issued with a multiple-entry visa by an undercover CIA operative who worked in the consular section of the US embassy there. This included the coveted green-card — permanent-resident — status. (Official statements later put down the visas to a series of computer errors; and the fact that the consular official was a CIA agent was dismissed as “sheer coincidence”.) On entering the US, Rahman went to the al-Khifah “refugee center” in Brooklyn’s Atlantic Avenue, New York, the front for raising anti-Soviet fighters ... He was also a “central figure” at the Farouq mosque next door, and also preached at a mosque in nearby Jersey City.
(Richard Labévière, Dollars For Terror, pp.221-4 [he refers to Newsweek as confirming the visa story, but fails to give a specific reference]; Peter L Bergen, Holy War, Inc: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden [Weidenfield & Nicholson, London, 2001], pp.72-3 [his reference is Marguerite Michaels, “Martyrs for the Sheik”, Time magazine, 19 July 1993]; 9/11 Commission Report, chapter 3, p.72 [HTML version])
Ramzi Youssef, the man who parked the truck bomb under the WTC, was himself an “Arab Afghan” who learned the arts of terrorism in Peshawar, Pakistan. And he had, according to a classified FBI file, been recruited by the local branch of the CIA. (His uncle, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed [KSM], was to become the “mastermind” of 9/11.) (Labévière, Dollars For Terror, pp.220-1. 9/11 Commission Report, chapter 3, p.73. [HTML version]) ...
“A confidential CIA internal survey concluded that it was ‘partly culpable’ for the World Trade Center bomb, according to reports of the time. There had been blowback.” (Andrew Marshall, “Terror ‘blowback’ burns CIA”, Independent on Sunday [UK], 1 Nov. 1998) However, as Michel Chossudovsky comments, “The ‘blowback’ thesis is a fabrication. The evidence amply confirms that the CIA never severed its ties to the ‘Islamic Militant Network’. ...” (“Osamagate”, Center For Global Research, Oct. 2001)
Some of the future “9/11 hijackers” were discovered “by association with” the 1993 plotters in the “data-mining” operation Able Danger in 1999. (Mosque links between Mohammed Atta and Rahman are specifically mentioned. Jacob Goodwin, “Inside Able Danger ...”, Government Security News (23-24 Aug. 2005)) Fifteen of their number were also to obtain US visas with ease at the “CIA-dominated” US consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. (See “The Hijackers”.)
The FBI investigation into the later US embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar-es-Salaam in 1998 was said to have found that the traces from the explosions came from an American military explosive, of the type of which the CIA had apparently given to the “Arab Afghans” just three years before.
And on 9/11 itself we find John Fulton, the former director of the “National Security Space Master Plan for the U.S. Department of Defense and Intelligence Space Communities”, directing an airplane-into-building “exercise” at the National Reconnaissance Office.