How does one approach the argument of another that claims that their evidence that god exist is you. That is, you ask them to present evidence of the existence of god, and they say “you are the proof that god exist.” I know this is wrong logic somehow, but I don’t know how to explain it. Please help me counter this logic accurately. Thanks.
Ah, well. Then you say that your existence is proof of Darwinian natural selection!
I like this, but they even mentioned that god created monkeys so there would be man. But now I think I get the problem with this statement. If god created monkeys to turn into man, why wouldn’t he just create man and monkeys separately.
Creationism is not agreeable with natural selection correct?
I like this, but they even mentioned that god created monkeys so there would be man. But now I think I get the problem with this statement. If god created monkeys to turn into man, why wouldn’t he just create man and monkeys separately.
Well, it doesn’t begin with monkeys, of course. It began several billions of years ago with the first self-replicating molecules. And then the question is why you need God at all? It’s all natural selection, all the way down.
morgantj - 03 October 2007 05:32 PM
Creationism is not agreeable with natural selection correct?
Unless you mean “creationism” in that God created the universe and then left it alone, then yes, creationism is not agreeable with natural selection. That is, creationists typically claim that there are “gaps” in Darwinian natural selection, in which God performed certain miracles.
If you want to read around a bit here, there are lots of websites. A good start is HERE.
I like this, but they even mentioned that god created monkeys so there would be man. But now I think I get the problem with this statement. If god created monkeys to turn into man, why wouldn’t he just create man and monkeys separately.
Well, it doesn’t begin with monkeys, of course. It began several billions of years ago with the first self-replicating molecules. And then the question is why you need God at all? It’s all natural selection, all the way down.
morgantj - 03 October 2007 05:32 PM
Creationism is not agreeable with natural selection correct?
Unless you mean “creationism” in that God created the universe and then left it alone, then yes, creationism is not agreeable with natural selection. That is, creationists typically claim that there are “gaps” in Darwinian natural selection, in which God performed certain miracles.
If you want to read around a bit here, there are lots of websites. A good start is HERE.
I know some Creationists, but they don’t have computers. In fact, except for a phone, TV, and electricity, they don’t have much by way of anything modern. Don’t ask. Their answers will be off the wall, but the best and I guess a more reasonable response is that they see no need for computers or the internet, until they add that the information on them is not worth anything and as for news, they figure they hear everything from Faux news.
yes it can be very hard to debate or argue philosophical points with many creationist. ” you are proof that god exists”. Its totally flawed, how do they know its proving there god and not Zeus, Rah or any number of deity’s that supposedly had relations with humans. And it does not prove that god had anything to do with it. There is no “made buy god” tag on anyone I’ve seen. Its anther wild idea that sounds endearing but is like saying lightening is proof of Zeus, cause Zeus makes lightning.
My six year old asked me what God is the other day and I found myself saying it is the goodness and kindness in people. I really have no idea where that came from, but it sounded good at the time and it stopped his incessant questioning for the moment. It’s all in how you interpret the word “God,” I guess.
yes it can be very hard to debate or argue philosophical points with many creationist. ” you are proof that god exists”. Its totally flawed, how do they know its proving there god and not Zeus, Rah or any number of deity’s that supposedly had relations with humans. And it does not prove that god had anything to do with it. There is no “made buy god” tag on anyone I’ve seen. Its anther wild idea that sounds endearing but is like saying lightening is proof of Zeus, cause Zeus makes lightning.
Exactly.
I like that “it’s like saying lightening is proof of Zeus, cause Zeus makes lightning.” I might use that as a comparison next time.
My six year old asked me what God is the other day and I found myself saying it is the goodness and kindness in people. I really have no idea where that came from, but it sounded good at the time and it stopped his incessant questioning for the moment. It’s all in how you interpret the word “God,” I guess.
Vanessa
Well, we know how the creationist are interpreting “God” but their faith is going to hold up as evidence.
Don’t ask. Their answers will be off the wall, but the best and I guess a more reasonable response is that they see no need for computers or the internet, until they add that the information on them is not worth anything and as for news, they figure they hear everything from Faux news. 
That’s a good name for the Faux channel too.
