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Posted: 02 November 2007 12:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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dougsmith - 02 November 2007 07:28 AM
erasmusinfinity - 02 November 2007 07:22 AM

I know many catholics who believe in separation of church and state.  Do you have something against catholics now too?

I don’t think you understand, erasmusinfinity. Catholics can’t believe in separation of church and state because they aren’t Baptists.

See?

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Catholics can’t be Baptists because they don’t believe in Separation of Church and State.  There are even Baptist who aren’t Baptists.  I call them BINOS.

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Posted: 02 November 2007 12:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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FredFlash - 02 November 2007 12:45 PM

There are even Baptist who aren’t Baptists.  I call them BINOS.

There are even fish who aren’t fish. I call them whales, dude! :grin:

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Posted: 02 November 2007 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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George - 02 November 2007 12:57 PM
FredFlash - 02 November 2007 12:45 PM

There are even Baptist who aren’t Baptists.  I call them BINOS.

There are even fish who aren’t fish. I call them whales, dude! :grin:

That’s apples to oranges.

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Posted: 02 November 2007 05:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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So Fred.  Can people who are not religious, at all, believe in separation of church and state?

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Posted: 02 November 2007 06:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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erasmusinfinity - 02 November 2007 05:51 PM

So Fred.  Can people who are not religious, at all, believe in separation of church and state?

Presumably. But they’re all Baptists.

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Posted: 02 November 2007 06:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Wow!  I had no idea that I was a baptist.

Hmmm.  Those catholics that I know… the ones who believe in separation of church and state… they must be baptists too.  It all makes such clear sense to me now.

Dude!  That’s like totally radical narly!

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Posted: 02 November 2007 06:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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dougsmith - 02 November 2007 06:23 PM
erasmusinfinity - 02 November 2007 05:51 PM

So Fred.  Can people who are not religious, at all, believe in separation of church and state?

Presumably. But they’re all Baptists.

LOL  LOL

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Posted: 02 November 2007 08:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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erasmusinfinity - 02 November 2007 05:51 PM

So Fred.  Can people who are not religious, at all, believe in separation of church and state?

Anyone who believes in strict separation of church and state is a Baptist, whether they like it or not.  Anyone who doesn’t, isn’t a Baptist.

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Posted: 02 November 2007 08:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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dougsmith - 02 November 2007 06:23 PM
erasmusinfinity - 02 November 2007 05:51 PM

So Fred.  Can people who are not religious, at all, believe in separation of church and state?

Presumably. But they’re all Baptists.

You have finally seen the light, dude.

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Posted: 02 November 2007 08:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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FredFlash - 02 November 2007 08:01 PM
erasmusinfinity - 02 November 2007 05:51 PM

So Fred.  Can people who are not religious, at all, believe in separation of church and state?

Anyone who believes in strict separation of church and state is a Baptist, whether they like it or not.  Anyone who doesn’t, isn’t a Baptist.

a) I believe in strict separation of church and state.
b) I’m a hard agnostic/soft atheist.
c) Therefore I’m no baptist.

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Posted: 03 November 2007 08:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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skepticdave - 02 November 2007 08:18 PM

a) I believe in strict separation of church and state.
b) I’m a hard agnostic/soft atheist.
c) Therefore I’m no baptist.

That’s what YOU think!

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Posted: 03 November 2007 08:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Yeah Dave.  Didn’t you know that CFI was a baptist organization?  hmmm

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Posted: 03 November 2007 08:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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oh well, like i always say, if you can’t beat ‘em….join ‘em!

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Posted: 03 November 2007 09:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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“Separation of Church and State”, and by that phrase, I mean the type of religious liberty championed by the great James Madison, was founded upon the assumption that “It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him [God].”  This duty, imposed by God on every man, is the source our society’s collective civil duty to exempt religion from the authority of society at large, and even more so from that of the government and especially from legislative bodies.  That is what James Madison was saying in the following excerpt from his Memorial and Remonstrance.

Because we hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth, “that religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence.” The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. This right is in its nature an unalienable right. It is unalienable, because the opinions of men, depending only on the evidence contemplated by their own minds cannot follow the dictates of other men: It is unalienable also, because what is here a right towards men, is a duty towards the Creator. It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty is precedent, both in order of time and in degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considerd as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governour of the Universe: And if a member of Civil Society, do it with a saving of his allegiance to the Universal Sovereign. We maintain therefore that in matters of Religion, no man’s right is abridged by the institution of Civil Society and that Religion is wholly exempt from its cognizance. True it is, that no other rule exists, by which any question which may divide a Society, can be ultimately determined, but the will of the majority; but it is also true that the majority may trespass on the rights of the minority. 

Because Religion be exempt from the authority of the Society at large, still less can it be subject to that of the Legislative Body. The latter are but the creatures and vicegerents of the former. Their jurisdiction is both derivative and limited: it is limited with regard to the co-ordinate departments, more necessarily is it limited with regard to the constituents.

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Posted: 03 November 2007 09:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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FredFlash - 03 November 2007 09:00 AM

“Separation of Church and State”, and by that phrase, I mean the type of religious liberty championed by the great James Madison, was founded upon the assumption that “It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him [God].”  This duty, imposed by God on every man, is the source our society’s collective civil duty to exempt religion from the authority of society at large, and even more so from that of the government and especially from legislative bodies.  That is what James Madison was saying in the following excerpt from his Memorial and Remonstrance.

No. that’s not what separation of church & state “means”. 
You are misquoting Madison (quoting him out of context)

http://vernondent.blogspot.com/2007/10/dont-get-madison.html

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