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Huckabee on the signers of the Declaration of Independence
Posted: 17 December 2007 12:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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I learned a lot about the history of separation of church and state by reading the works of David Barton, including the evidence he cited and discovering that he is almost always wrong.  Sometimes, Barton’s evidence actually refutes his claim.  It almost always fails to support his claim. 

His target audience appears to be the uneducated and weak minded.

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Posted: 19 December 2007 03:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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Not to derail the conversation but…

I’d like to recommend Alan Dershowitz’s book Blasphemy. I picked it up after his October interview on Point of Inquiry.

You’ll find a lot of the things discussed in this thread are also discussed in his book. It deals specifically with the United States Declaration of Independence and the “intent” of some of the founding fathers.

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Posted: 22 January 2008 07:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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mckenzievmd - 23 October 2007 11:53 AM

Doug,
You aren’t making the mistake of thinking the American electorate is interested in facts, are you?! Political theater relies very little on factual accuracy, and much more heavily on emotional impact. *sigh*

Why does the United States suck so much?

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Posted: 22 January 2008 08:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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alexjohnc3 - 22 January 2008 07:50 PM

Why does the United States suck so much?

Well ... we have some nice people!
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Posted: 22 January 2008 09:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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dougsmith - 22 January 2008 08:41 PM

Well ... we have some nice people!
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I know that. raspberry
It’s just fools like Huckabee should be the fringe, but instead his type of inanity is all too commonplace here. It’s seriously getting out of hand.

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Posted: 23 January 2008 12:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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Unfortunately, whenever a politician wants to gain votes he works to cut taxes.  As soon as that is done, the budget has to be reduced.  The easiest place to do that is to decrease funding for education.  That means we have a public who are less and less educated — except at Sunday school and church.  That leads naturally to your conclusion.  While there are a great many intelligent, educated people in the U.S., there aren’t enough and, we end up with eight years of GWB, and now we have to watch Huckabee and the others who aren’t much better declare their disbelief in evolution. 

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Posted: 25 January 2008 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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Occam - 23 January 2008 12:28 AM

Unfortunately, whenever a politician wants to gain votes he works to cut taxes.  As soon as that is done, the budget has to be reduced.  The easiest place to do that is to decrease funding for education.  That means we have a public who are less and less educated — except at Sunday school and church.  That leads naturally to your conclusion.  While there are a great many intelligent, educated people in the U.S., there aren’t enough and, we end up with eight years of GWB, and now we have to watch Huckabee and the others who aren’t much better declare their disbelief in evolution. 

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The United States spent an average of $8,701 per pupil to educate its children in 2005
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2438214220070524

In fact, the U.S. is the single greatest investor in education. According to the report, its public education budget is close to that of all governments in the six regions combined: the Arab States, Central and Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Latin America and the Caribbean, South and West Asia and sub-Saharan Africa.
http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=40049&URL_DO=DO_PRINTPAGE&URL_SECTION=201.html

One would think that with our vastly superior resources and the level of education spending which far exceeds these competitors we would outperform nearly everyone - not so. Dr. Schmidt, who oversees the research effort into the TIMSS results, says the actual cause for the failures appears to be weak math and science curricula in U.S. middle schools.

A more insightful explanation was once proffered by Jean McLaughlin, president of Barry University who said “The public schools lack focus; instead of concentrating on education, they dabble in social re-engineering”. That assessment was confirmed by the superintendent of the country’s fourth largest school district in Miami-Dade, Florida who said “Half our job is education, and the other half is social work”.
http://4brevard.com/choice/international-test-scores.htm

Food for thought.

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