Atheist_Pariah - 11 February 2008 05:04 PM

They don’t need a valid argument for recruitment.

Really?  What would make you pick up a gun and fight, AP?  Maybe someone trying to force you to worship their god?  What makes you think it wouldn’t work the same in reverse?

mckenzievmd - 11 February 2008 07:34 PM

… all this argument against “tolerance” with respect to religion strikes me as just as intolerant, self-righteous and dogmatic as religion itself. I know what you guys mean, and there’s a lot about religion that is stupid, harmful, etc. But it’s a human institution prone to both the virtues and vices of humans, as are all social organizations. I’d be happy enough if it went away, but I also think we’d replace it with something else just as imperfect. ...

Yes, I also don’t like the rhetoric of intolerance either from religious people or from the non-religious. I think Harris’s decision to talk that way was unfortunate. There are certain things we clearly cannot tolerate, but peaceable religious practice is not one of them. Indeed, one of the hallmarks of the enlightenment was precisely religious freedom and tolerance of opposing religious views. That’s what it is to be a secular society. It’s to tolerate private religious practice. We may quibble around the edges about certain sorts of extreme practice, but the general stance is essential.

Ron Webb - 11 February 2008 07:57 PM

Atheist_Pariah - 11 February 2008 05:04 PM

They don’t need a valid argument for recruitment.

Really?  What would make you pick up a gun and fight, AP?  Maybe someone trying to force you to worship their god?  What makes you think it wouldn’t work the same in reverse?

We aren’t talking about me. We’re talking about islamic fundamentalists.

I don’t see anyone trying to force them to worship anyone else’s god. I do see THEM trying to force other people to make room for their archaic law in democratic societies.

Atheist_Pariah - 11 February 2008 09:18 PM

Ron Webb - 11 February 2008 07:57 PM

Atheist_Pariah - 11 February 2008 05:04 PM

They don’t need a valid argument for recruitment.

Really?  What would make you pick up a gun and fight, AP?  Maybe someone trying to force you to worship their god?  What makes you think it wouldn’t work the same in reverse?

We aren’t talking about me. We’re talking about islamic fundamentalists.

No, we’re talking about Islamic moderates, whom you want to coerce into changing their beliefs.  Or did I misunderstand you? --

Atheist_Pariah - 11 February 2008 05:04 PM

The only obvious solution is to dispose of religion all together, though how that would be accomplished is beyond me.

Ron, where is the moderation here?

http://islamwatchers.blogspot.com

Freethinkaluva - 12 February 2008 11:06 AM

Ron, where is the moderation here?

http://islamwatchers.blogspot.com

Not there, obviously.  What’s your point?

Huge minaret with loudspeakers rising in St. Louis
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020026.php

Islamic Prayer Tower Rises Over South St. Louis City
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/islamic-prayer-tower-rises-in-south-st.html

At a groundbreaking ceremony July 2007, Mayor Francis Slay said the 107-foot structure would likely be the first minaret in the city’s history.  The mosque is the Islamic Community Center, or Madina Masjid, at 4666 Lansdowne Avenue. A minaret is a tower from which the Muslim call to prayer is traditionally sounded.  Mosque to officially celebrate the minaret’s completion next month.

“Those calls to prayers ought to go over really well with the people of this South St. Louis neighborhood.”

St. Louis Papers Shill for CAIR
Feb 20, 2008

“Sure enough, this morning the mainstream newspapers of St. Louis are running CAIR’s smear press release without a hint of skepticism, with no context for readers on the history of CAIR as a radical Islamic front group, or their status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Hamas funding case.

CAIR’s propaganda also made it to the local CBS affiliate, KMOV, where they uncritically label LGF an “anti-Muslim site” at CAIR’s bidding.

* The comments quoted by CAIR were posted at LGF for less than two hours before CAIR sent out their press release, and were deleted as soon as the administrator (that would be me) became aware of them. CAIR did not contact me about the comments either—they just went straight to the FBI, and put out a libelous press release.

Bottom line: the mainstream media are disgraceful once again, carrying water for a known radical Islamic organization and failing to do due diligence in covering the story.”
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28997&only;&rss;

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

-- Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

* I am curious to find out:

1. If any tax dollars went into this.

2. What are the times of the day for these prayer alarms? And why didn’t they ask the locals if they were okay with this?

3. Why were the zoning and height limitations on structures obstructing the city skyline ignored in order to give a permit for a religious structure?

4. Why and how did this permit get passed without the local public awareness of it?

5. Please explain why Islam and Muslims should get any special treatment or special privileges?

6. Why isn’t there a federal law prohibiting any more of these minarets or Mosques being built without the local publics complete and full awareness of all of the specifics long before hand. In fact, there shouldn’t be any new building of these types of structures until Saudi Arabia and the Muslim world allows the building of churches, synagogues, temples and Freethinker structures for all other belief systems first.

Go Cardinals!!! That really is anti-Islamic.

Rep. Sue Myrick’s 10 point “Wake Up America” Plan to Battle Radical Islam

1. Will call for a government investigation of all US military chaplains who were approved by Abdurahman Alamoudi.

2. Will call for a government investigation of all US prison chaplains who were approved by Abdurahman Alamoudi.

3. Will call for the Government Accounting Office (GAO) to investigate the selection process of Arabic translators in the FBI and DoD.

4. Will call for the Internal Revenue Service to investigate the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ (CAIR) 501(c)(3) non-profit status which restricts “lobbying on behalf of a foreign government”.

5. Introduce a bill to make the preaching, publication, or distribution of materials that call for the death of American citizens, attacks on the United States Government or Armed Forces, or the financing of the means and/or operations to accomplish these acts, acts of sedition and/or solicitation of treason.

6. Will call on the Government Accountability Office to conduct an audit to verify the total sovereign wealth fund investment in the United States.

7. Will attempt to cancel scholarship student visa program with Saudi Arabia until they reform their textbooks.

8. Will introduce a bill to restrict R-1/R-2 religious visas for imams who come from countries that do not allow reciprocal visits by non-Muslim clergy.

9. Will introduce a bill to cancel contracts to train Saudi police and other security forces in US Counterterrorism tactics until the Saudi’s certify the prosecution of Al Qaeda financiers, like Yasin al-Kadi, and the detention of repatriated Guantanamo terrorists that keep being released into the general population after being “rehabilitated”.

10. Will introduce or sponsor a bill to block the sale of sensitive military munitions, especially Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs), to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.house.gov/list/press/nc09_myrick/wakeupamerica41808.html

http://www.myrick.house.gov/wakeupamericaagenda.shtml

“An Open Letter to Lawmakers and Officials in the United States”
http://nodhimmi.9f.com/

Send out letters like the one above to your State Senators and State Representatives. Simply copy/paste the letter and send it to your state and local elected officials:

“FirstGov encourages you to contact your elected officials and share your thoughts on current events and government policy. Below you’ll find links to e-mail addresses, as well as phone numbers and mailing addresses for key elected officials.” http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

Need more motivation to send your letter? Here ...
http://islamwatchers.blogspot.com

I bet they gave the locals some nickles to get them to allow something like that to take place, this is absolutely F@#$%-ed. I think the local authorities are just as screwed as the mulisms since If you are arab, all you have to do to get them to bend over and go for something like is is give them some greenies and you are an instantaneous BOSS. To reference that one can point to bush and others. MM claims in his 9/11 documentary that Disney Land was at the time 17 % saudi owned, this is just one, I can only imagine there are 100’s of references out there. I live in the US to escape the muslim crap, I sure hope that Israel will upon that rat hole being inaugurated send a team of mosad dudes to smoke it. In Jesus’s Name I pray, Amen. As an ex muslim victim, it took quite a lot to get naturalized citizen, I don’t want to lose my citizenship but this is the type of outrage that really makes me want to take up a rifle and join a militia.  Unless the supposed “land of the free and home of the braves.” gets off its ass and takes a firm stand that this is where the bucket stops, those organisms will islamize at least a good part of the US in less than 50 years.  Their ticket to this is that the US population has one weakness: CASH!

Hey there Daisy,

I thought you might appreciate this article from Secular Humanism .org

“Why Critical Scrutiny of Islam Is an Utmost Necessity” by Syed Kamran Mirza
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=mirza_22_2

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Freethinkaluva - 30 April 2008 01:09 PM

Hey there Daisy,

I thought you might appreciate this article from Secular Humanism .org

“Why Critical Scrutiny of Islam Is an Utmost Necessity” by Syed Kamran Mirza
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=mirza_22_2

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You are right, I find it to be truly outstanding. Thank you so much . There is lot to agree with if not simply all in this article, and one thing I want to point out about quar’an claiming to be an abyss of all knowledge there is (it’s pointed out in the articles), and that thing is that I find the sound parallel striking between the word “scientists” and the word “shayatins” in arabic wich is supposed to be the plurial form of satan as in satans:

sci---en--tists
sha--ya--tinS

wich makes one wonders if islam does believe that science comes form satans, in which case it doesn’t surprised me at all considering the violent opposition it puts forth to anything that has to do with science in general.

I learned everything I need to know about Islam from reading every single book by Ibn Warriq.

What I find to be very unfortunate is that a serious discussion on the Internets is not possible on the most influential blogs like DailyKos and HuffingPost. They refuse to discuss in any serious way the barbaric and absolutely destructful ideology of Islam. 

And the reason I think that is important is because those websites represent the main stream “progressive” audience that has flocked to these blogs because they feel the MSM is too conservative, biased and pander to the gutter culture of society. And then these people who claim to be truly open minded, and progressive will call you a bigot and ban you from their websites because you challenge the intentions of Islam, no matter how intelligently and diligently you lay out your argument.

So when the “cool kids” of the Internts say fuck off, you are a bigot Islam is great, I can’t but hang my head and think we are just screwed.

The Humanist movement here in America ain’t got any talking heads on the 3 main networks, and we ain’t got any New York Times Op-Ed weekly contributers, and we certainly don’t have any REAL lobbying on Capitol Hill.

So to be honest, all of this talking here on this obscure forum will accomplish nothing in the grand scheme, and our children will grow up in the same ignorant selfish world as we did.

Unless…

rationaljeff - 02 May 2008 01:00 AM

So to be honest, all of this talking here on this obscure forum will accomplish nothing in the grand scheme, and our children will grow up in the same ignorant selfish world as we did.

True, but on a more optimistic note, this forum is a small part of a much larger organization that does offer the world a great deal of information and opportunity.

rationaljeff - 02 May 2008 01:00 AM

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So to be honest, all of this talking here on this obscure forum will accomplish nothing in the grand scheme, and our children will grow up in the same ignorant selfish world as we did.

Unless…

Unless what?  I would hardly call this forum “obscure” any more than I would call the others “influential” since their managers (according to your heads-up) are not able to pull their heads out of their back canals and address reality as it is.

Wallowing in despair and pessimism doesn’t resolve any problem either on the other hand.