The LDS faith is biblical on its view of trinity
Posted: 28 January 2008 05:12 PM   [ Ignore ]
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The LDS Church is true in its view of trininty according to the original church
The Bible teaches that there is one true God whom we worship. The question
is what this means. The Bible clearly teaches that Christ and the Father are
two distinct beings, and that the Father is greater than Christ (John
14:28), who is the Son. So if Christ is God (He is) and the Father is God,
and they are distinct persons (even Stephen saw Christ standing on the right
hand of God in Acts 7:55,56), there are two Gods (and the Holy Ghost makes
3). So the question is what is meant by “one”? Christ explains it in His
intercessory prayer in John 17:11,20-23:
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come
to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given
me, that they may be one, as we are….
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on
me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be
one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that
the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast
loved me.

So as you can see: Christians should be one even as the Father and Son
are one. Not one substance, but one in mind and heart and purpose. What else
can the unity of Christians mean? And that is the kind of unity we find in
the Godhead. Yes, there are three persons - and three Beings. They can be
called One and fully function as One. The Son represents the Father, only
does the will of the Father, and is the author of our Salvation, acting for
the Father. They are one - but not in the abstract, bodiless “one substance”
this was a concept first introduced in the 4th century by Greek philosophers
to the dismay and disapproval of many if not most of the early church
fathers.

Again go to the bible for answers:  Look at the following versus of
biblical scripture, disregard for a moment the 4th century Greek Philosophy
and see what you come up with.

(Acts 7:55-56 NIV) But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven
and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. {56}
“Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man (Jesus) standing at
the right hand of God.”

“You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you
loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the
Father is greater than I,’” (John 14:28)

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent
me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one,
even as we are one: (John 17:21-22)

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless
not my will, but thine, be done. (Luke 22:42)

Matthew 3:17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My
beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”

Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them,
and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with
whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”

Mark 1:11 and a voice came out of the heavens: “You are My beloved Son, in
You I am well-pleased.”

Luke 9:35 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, My
Chosen One; listen to Him!”

2 Peter 1:17 For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such
an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, “This is My
beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased “-

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your
Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17)

Mark 16:19 So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received
up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

John 7:33 Therefore Jesus said, “For a little while longer I am with you,
then I go to Him who sent Me

I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have become your Father. Psalms 2:7


The teaching of Greek trinity was condemned by the early fathers of
the church that had know and served with the original apostles.  A God that
is three persons but one Being is NOT taught by the Bible. A God of unity is
taught. A Father greater than and separate from His son is taught. But the
Trinity concept with an unknowable, immaterial, “wholly other” God is
nowhere to be found in the first century of Christianity. Its
incomprehensibility is hardly evidence of its truthfulness!

In the following an expert from a letter to the Trallians, around 110
A.D., we see the early Christian father Ignatius (highly recognized and
respected by all modern day faiths) was clearly opposing the intrusion of
false philosophical ideas. Apparently some were already teaching that Christ
suffered in appearance only and wasn’t a real human who was born, had lived,
and had died. He condemns such doctrines, emphasizing that Christ was really
born, had really lived, and was really raised from the dead. But the
apostates, the heretics, teach a God that cannot be known, as he explains in
section 6 (available online: The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians):

“They also calumniate His being born of the Virgin; they are ashamed of His
cross; they deny His passion; and they do not believe His resurrection. They
introduce God as a Being unknown; they suppose Christ to be unbegotten; and
as to the Spirit, they do not admit that He exists. Some of them say that
the Son is a mere man, and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are but the
same person, and that the creation is the work of God, not by Christ, but by
some other strange power.”
We see that the bible has made it simple and clear that Jesus is the
Son of God, One in heart, might, mind and spirit, He tells his apostles
(John 17:20-23) to be one as he (Christ and the father) are one.  Steven
being stoned in Acts 7:55-56 looks up and see’s Jesus standing to the right
hand of His father God, Jesus tells those around him not to touch him
because he has “not yet Ascended to my father), Jesus says God the Father is
greater than He, God introduces Jesus as his son in the waters of baptism,
Jesus cries unto the father in prayer and says not my will but thine, Jesus
always refers to the father as the one who sent me and that is just a few
scriptures that point to the true relationship between God and Jesus.  So it
is easy to see why the early fathers of the Church were so disgusted and
angry with the “theologians” that changed the early Christian understanding
of God and Jesus to Greek crafted trinity.

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Posted: 28 January 2008 09:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I don’t understand your first post to the board.  It brings many thoughts to mind, but I rather ask the purpose than to just assume based on what it appears to be.

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Posted: 28 January 2008 10:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Western, Mriana is far more willing than I am to give a person the benefit of the doubt.  This post appears to be a blatent attempt at evangelism.  As such, it has no place here.  Your frequent references to biblical statements as if they were true is meaningless.  There is no proof that anything in the bible is fact.  As such, most of your post is without merit or foundation. 

If you were attempting to start a discussion about something, state it much more clearly.

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