I couldn’t stand faux leather, it either has to be genuines thick nice soft one or I am going for some other material.
I’m not a big fan of faux leather either, but men’s dress shoes and belts have to appear to be leather in order to conform to the cultural norm. I try to wear less stiff shoes whenever I can, made out of canvas and hemp. Their much more comfortable anyway.
Daisy - 06 April 2008 04:05 PM
How do I know more about this area, what key word would I use to google down related information? thank you.
I wish that I could give you a Google search word, but I have had a horrible time trying to find information on various stealth animal products. Many businesses deliberately shy from making their practices public. It’s a toughy. I know that gelatin, in all of its forms including “gummy” products, is made from bone marrow. Real musk in men’s cologne comes from the adrenal glands of the musk deer. It is a seemingly endless search, but there are alternatives for most all of these things.
PETA has a site on sheep HERE.
HERE is a vegan wine guide. It is meant for Irish audiences. I know of no such site for Americans.
HERE is a wonderful self researched list of veg wine, beer and cider.
Please let me know if you find anything else on the topic.
thank you so much, I’ll try “stealth animal products” and see, before I read your post I never even tought about stuff like that, thank you so very much. And thank you for the links, who is with the chubby squirrel? I love those pics. There is some good info there.
Sorry but I don’t know the guy with the squirrel who put up the site. I came across his site by searching. His list seems to be pretty legit though. He contacted the liquor companies himself and posts his correspondence as evidence.
I don’t know about that situation and would be curious to learn more. Assuming that The Los Angeles Humane Society was euthanizing compassionately, I would disagree with anyone criticizing them for it. On the other hand, I think that there are animal shelters that kill unnecessarily. Why was The Los Angeles Humane Society killing animals? Did PETA make an official statement of condemnation, or were statements made by certain PETA members or supporters?
I believe the issue was the number of animals put down that are healthy rather than sick due to constraints in available space and/or time spent in while captive.
Here’s a youtube link to the video Meet Your Meat (I downloaded it) ... I have watched it.
Obviously the intent is to demonstrate appalling practices in meat production and thus persuade meat eaters to go vegetarian (vegan actually I suppose since they film takes a position against dairy and eggs) but to me it simply reinforces my long-held belief that meat production should be ethical, that the animals should be allowed to live healthier/longer lives in good conditions and killed humanely. Since the film is US focused I do not know how relevant it is to UK meat production.
I also think the film likely to be an exercise in propaganda in that it appears to rather selectively portray one point of view without mention of others (such as the probability that there are meat producers who are relatively ethical) ... nevertheless I think everyone should watch the film if only to be aware of the arguments.
me it simply reinforces my long-held belief that meat production should be ethical, that the animals should be allowed to live healthier/longer lives in good conditions and killed humanely
I agree. I don’t want to stop eating meat (the cow meat is the base of my diet) but I acknowledge that we must improve the way we treat the animals (here in latam the trouble with cows have to do more with transportation than other thing) and I see that it will impact in the meat price, but it is our duty.
I frankly don’t see any evil in eating meat, as I don’t see any evil in my cat trying to catch up birds. It is sad, but every way I have to get food is agressive in a way or another to animals.
It’s wonderful that people can choose to be vegetarian if they want. We have such abundance that it is possible to do so. I think vegetarianisim is great but many of the vegetarians themselves are such terrible bores. It’s just so tiresome. You know who I’m talking about. I got cornered one day in the whole food market by some pale, weedy, delirious fanatic on the fourth day of his juice fast who wanted to rant about the terrible meat eaters. Practically chewed off my own arm to get away. I made a break for freedom running down the homeopathy isle with the end cap of astrology scrolls and aromatherapy oils.
It’s wonderful that people can choose to be vegetarian if they want. We have such abundance that it is possible to do so. I think vegetarianisim is great but many of the vegetarians themselves are such terrible bores. It’s just so tiresome. You know who I’m talking about. I got cornered one day in the whole food market by some pale, weedy, delirious fanatic on the fourth day of his juice fast who wanted to rant about the terrible meat eaters. Practically chewed off my own arm to get away. I made a break for freedom running down the homeopathy isle with the end cap of astrology scrolls and aromatherapy oils.
Well, I don’t go on juice fasts or any fasts nor do I go on rants about carnivores/omnivores as long as they don’t bug me about being a herbivore. Each his own and it keeps the peace when we have dinner together.
I am just curious..., who is talking about or demonstrating “rage and violence” here???
No one is doing this in this thread, of course. My comment was part of a discussion of my previous experiences with PETA members, so I’m sorry if it appeared I was referring to anyone here.
There is, of course, a fanatical component to the animal rights movement. HERE is the ALF (Animal Liberation Front) FAQ on activism, which calls for harrassment of people doing what ALF unilaterally decides is unethical or cruel things to animals and for destruction of property associated with this activity. There is a lot of justifying such things with references to past revolutionary movements and stirring quotes from Thoreau and Barry Goldwater and the like. The fact is that there are plenty of animal rights activists who believe such ends are justified by the means. There are plenty of anti-abortion activists and religious fanatics who feel the same way. Zealotry is always dangerous because it allows one an exemption from the usual standards of compassionate and respectful behavior towards others that most people acknowledge as right. Whether God or your conscience tells you someone else’s sin is great, it doesn’t matter. It only matters if you decide you are fit to judge and punish the sin. I won’t say I’m a complete pacifist, but I think “rage and violence” is a dangerous “tool” to use to implement a moral agenda, and there is a certain hypocrisy in using it in the name of compassion.
I think animal rights, just like vegetarianism, which is the original topic of this thread, gets stigmatized by the fanatics who claim to represent it. But I don’t think the answer is to deny such people exist, but to repudiate them. Unfortunately, PETA does not, at leats not in any convincing way. Undoubtedly, such a large organization contains a wide variety of styles and opinions, and I don’t intend to condemn it en masse. All I’ve said is that I’ve had some personal experiences with members who seem dangerously zealous and unconcerned about the welfare of anyone with the temerity not to agree with them on every issue since they feel themselves to be on the side of morality against evil, and such people turn me off.
Thank you so much for clarifying, I absolutely agree with your point. The farthest I can personally go is simply not eat meat, pass a petition to sign, attend a related hearing and such but that’s about it.
erasmusinfinity - 06 April 2008 04:53 PM
Sorry but I don’t know the guy with the squirrel who put up the site. I came across his site by searching. His list seems to be pretty legit though. He contacted the liquor companies himself and posts his correspondence as evidence.
you are not gonna believe what happened to me today, I suddenly was unconfortably aware (and all day) I was wearing poor dead animals around my feet and my waist!!! I never felt like this before and never thought I would. I googled “animal products” and had really good sites, I don’t have time now but I am going back there look up few and post here. Thank you so much again.
Kyuuketsuki UK - 07 April 2008 02:59 AM
OK,
Here’s a youtube link to the video Meet Your Meat (I downloaded it) ... I have watched it.
Obviously the intent is to demonstrate appalling practices in meat production and thus persuade meat eaters to go vegetarian (vegan actually I suppose since they film takes a position against dairy and eggs) but to me it simply reinforces my long-held belief that meat production should be ethical, that the animals should be allowed to live healthier/longer lives in good conditions and killed humanely. Since the film is US focused I do not know how relevant it is to UK meat production.
I also think the film likely to be an exercise in propaganda in that it appears to rather selectively portray one point of view without mention of others (such as the probability that there are meat producers who are relatively ethical) ... nevertheless I think everyone should watch the film if only to be aware of the arguments.
Kyu
you are absolutely right that they need to investigate the good ones as well if not to just site them as model examples for the others. thank you for your observations.
It’s wonderful that people can choose to be vegetarian if they want. We have such abundance that it is possible to do so. I think vegetarianisim is great but many of the vegetarians themselves are such terrible bores. It’s just so tiresome. You know who I’m talking about. I got cornered one day in the whole food market by some pale, weedy, delirious fanatic on the fourth day of his juice fast who wanted to rant about the terrible meat eaters. Practically chewed off my own arm to get away. I made a break for freedom running down the homeopathy isle with the end cap of astrology scrolls and aromatherapy oils.
generalizing never helps either, I do juices but I will never try to mog someone with them, but will however react if I am moged
Wow, that’s terrible. I am aware that in some places dog is not too uncommon a dish, especially in populations that experience serious food insecurity. In those circumstances I can’t blame people who eat dog to stay alive, but I wouldn’t want to eat dog, myself. To be tricked into it sounds like something one wouldn’t get over soon.
The idiot who gave us the dog thought it was very funny. I was a kid but I still remember how horrible I felt when I found out. I also remember when, as a kid, I used to feed my grandfather’s rabbits and give them names until they eventually appeared on my plate. I am sure all these experiences contributed to my decision to hate eating animals. Interestingly enough though, my brother, my sister and my cousins, all of them who went through the same thing, never reacted the way I did.
Well, I don’t go on juice fasts or any fasts nor do I go on rants about carnivores/omnivores as long as they don’t bug me about being a herbivore. Each his own and it keeps the peace when we have dinner together. 
