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Acupuncture Silliness
Posted: 09 July 2008 09:23 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I was rather amused by this:

A coworker was two days overdue to give birth to her first child. Anxious to speed things up, she got acupuncture to induce labor. 24 hours later, she goes into labor, checks into the hospital, and gives birth to a healthy baby. The acupuncturist declared his treatment successful. She was thrilled with the results.

I can’t help but get a laugh out of the whole situation.

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Posted: 09 July 2008 02:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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The only bigger liars than quacks are their patients.  smile

Needles can be of use in labor, specifically an Epidural! smile  The funny (or sad) thing is that those who fall for nonsense like acupuncture are the types that are the most vocal against things like Epidurals.

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Posted: 09 July 2008 03:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Ha ha - true, the people into “alternative medicine” are more likely to shun modern advances in the delivery room.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with taking advantage of everything the hospital has to offer. When ultrasound measurements estimated I was giving birth to a 9 pound child, I followed my doctor’s advice and got a C-Section. There were other medical factors involved in the doctor’s decision, of course, but the minute she said “9 pounds” I picked up the pen and signed the surgical consent form. No further convincing needed!

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Posted: 09 July 2008 06:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Reminds me of a scam during the 1940’s.  An ad was widely placed offering to predict the sex of one’s fetus if you sent them $5.00, and a small sample of your hair.  They promised to refund your money if they were wrong and even included a return envelope with their prediction.  And they were quite “honest” about sending back the money to those who complained.  It turned out that the guy running it, flipped a coin each time.  This meant he got it right half the time, and he made thousands of dollars from satisfied parents. 

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Posted: 09 July 2008 06:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Occam - 09 July 2008 06:21 PM

Reminds me of a scam during the 1940’s.  An ad was widely placed offering to predict the sex of one’s fetus if you sent them $5.00, and a small sample of your hair.  They promised to refund your money if they were wrong and even included a return envelope with their prediction.  And they were quite “honest” about sending back the money to those who complained.  It turned out that the guy running it, flipped a coin each time.  This meant he got it right half the time, and he made thousands of dollars from satisfied parents. 

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That is too funny!

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Posted: 09 July 2008 06:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Yes, it is funny. But then I wonder why televangelists selling holy water are definitely not funny.

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Posted: 09 July 2008 06:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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George - 09 July 2008 06:31 PM

Yes, it is funny. But then I wonder why televangelists selling holy water are definitely not funny.

Maybe televangelists should refund your money if your prayers don’t come true?

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Posted: 09 July 2008 06:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Jules - 09 July 2008 06:38 PM
George - 09 July 2008 06:31 PM

Yes, it is funny. But then I wonder why televangelists selling holy water are definitely not funny.

Maybe televangelists should refund your money if your prayers don’t come true?

Hey, a good one, Jules! cool smile

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Posted: 10 July 2008 05:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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For me the jury is still out on acupuncture.  I work in a staff model HMO and we offer this to our members.  They have to be referred, but even our most skeptical doctor will refer patients with certain aliments (sprained ankle is one).

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Posted: 10 July 2008 06:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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OldSquid - 10 July 2008 05:23 PM

For me the jury is still out on acupuncture.  I work in a staff model HMO and we offer this to our members.  They have to be referred, but even our most skeptical doctor will refer patients with certain aliments (sprained ankle is one).

A study was done in which sham acupuncture points were used and it was as effective as the traditional locations both were more effective then not being pierced with needles.

Acupuncture for patients with migraines

It is thought that acupunctures efficacy is the result of endorphins being released into the body.

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Posted: 10 July 2008 06:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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danlhinz - 10 July 2008 06:48 PM

A study was done in which sham acupuncture points were used and it was as effective as the traditional locations both were more effective then not being pierced with needles.

Acupuncture for patients with migraines

Oh, I’d heard about this study. Thanks for the link, this is good stuff.

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Posted: 10 July 2008 10:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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danlhinz - 10 July 2008 06:48 PM
OldSquid - 10 July 2008 05:23 PM

For me the jury is still out on acupuncture.  I work in a staff model HMO and we offer this to our members.  They have to be referred, but even our most skeptical doctor will refer patients with certain aliments (sprained ankle is one).

A study was done in which sham acupuncture points were used and it was as effective as the traditional locations both were more effective then not being pierced with needles.

Acupuncture for patients with migraines

It is thought that acupunctures efficacy is the result of endorphins being released into the body.

That makes a lot of sense, coupled of course with the placebo effect. The endorphin affect explains why it works on some animals as well.

There is no ‘traditional location’ if you travel to different parts of China, you will find that they do not agree at all about on the appropriate points for anything. If they do agree, it is probably purely coincidence. Acupuncture is far more standardized here than in China (which doesn’t make it more scientific).

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Posted: 11 July 2008 04:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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asanta - 10 July 2008 10:36 PM
danlhinz - 10 July 2008 06:48 PM
OldSquid - 10 July 2008 05:23 PM

For me the jury is still out on acupuncture.  I work in a staff model HMO and we offer this to our members.  They have to be referred, but even our most skeptical doctor will refer patients with certain aliments (sprained ankle is one).

A study was done in which sham acupuncture points were used and it was as effective as the traditional locations both were more effective then not being pierced with needles.

Acupuncture for patients with migraines

It is thought that acupunctures efficacy is the result of endorphins being released into the body.

That makes a lot of sense, coupled of course with the placebo effect. The endorphin affect explains why it works on some animals as well.

There is no ‘traditional location’ if you travel to different parts of China, you will find that they do not agree at all about on the appropriate points for anything. If they do agree, it is probably purely coincidence. Acupuncture is far more standardized here than in China (which doesn’t make it more scientific).

However, there’s this article on the management of low back pain.

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As I was saying I believe that it depends on the diagnosis.

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Posted: 12 July 2008 06:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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But that lower back study concluded that there is no statistical difference between bogus acupuncture and “real” acupuncture.

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Posted: 12 July 2008 01:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Seems like you splitting hairs…

another study.

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Posted: 14 July 2008 12:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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....... the truth will manifest and prevail itself in the end.

Anyway, what purpose will it ultimately serve to one’s health to have an ever increasing buildup of the medications with the so-called powerful healing effects on one end but unfortunately permanent and almost unavoidable, undesirable and highly irreversible bodily damaging side effects on the other ?

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