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What is the opposite of life?
Posted: 11 July 2008 12:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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traveler - 11 July 2008 12:22 PM

That’s great, because if you follow through that link (i.e.,  organism), you will find it is based on the cell.

So all life (that we know of) has cells but are all things with cells life?  Dead cells don’t count right?  So what defines a living cell?  Have we just gone circular here?

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Posted: 11 July 2008 12:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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traveler - 11 July 2008 12:23 PM

Ok, if a mule is cloned, then what produced the clone if not the mule? The mule’s cell? Well then that’s the same as for people because people do not produce people, people’s cells produce people. I defy you to try to create a person without a cell.

I’ll have to think about this one some more.  (Not the last sentence.  That was just gratuitous.)

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Posted: 11 July 2008 12:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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the PC apeman - 11 July 2008 12:34 PM
traveler - 11 July 2008 12:22 PM

That’s great, because if you follow through that link (i.e.,  organism), you will find it is based on the cell.

So all life (that we know of) has cells but are all things with cells life? 

Yes, but no because or your next question.

Dead cells don’t count right? 

right.

So what defines a living cell? 

A living cell is a system far from chemical equilibrium. It has a large internal free energy, meaning that if it is allowed to die and decay towards chemical equilibrium, energy (heat) is released.

Have we just gone circular here?PC

Not really, I have great respect for you and George.

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Posted: 11 July 2008 12:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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the PC apeman - 11 July 2008 12:40 PM
traveler - 11 July 2008 12:23 PM

Ok, if a mule is cloned, then what produced the clone if not the mule? The mule’s cell? Well then that’s the same as for people because people do not produce people, people’s cells produce people. I defy you to try to create a person without a cell.

I’ll have to think about this one some more.  (Not the last sentence.  That was just gratuitous.)

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No, the last sentence was not gratuitous. I meant it to support the fact that people’s cells (not people) reproduce.

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Posted: 11 July 2008 12:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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I’ll just leave it at that disagreement then.

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Posted: 11 July 2008 12:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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the PC apeman - 11 July 2008 12:52 PM

I’ll just leave it at that disagreement then.

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Posted: 11 July 2008 01:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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traveler - 11 July 2008 12:54 PM

That’s fine. I just didn’t want you to think I was dissing you. cool smile

No worries.  I didn’t meant to imply insulting, just not called for by the circumstances.  Natural language can be ambiguous.  To the meat of your post though, I still see a category error in there somewhere.  I’ll just have to work on verbalizing it.

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Posted: 11 July 2008 01:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Shawn - 11 July 2008 08:16 AM

Most would say death, but isn’t birth the opposite of death?

No, birth is the opposite direction of death. The opposite of life is inverse life : that which when added to life produces nullity. Birth and death occur at the central point, like zero for real numbers.

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Posted: 11 July 2008 03:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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A Voice of Sanity - 11 July 2008 01:30 PM

No, birth is the opposite direction of death. The opposite of life is inverse life : that which when added to life produces nullity. Birth and death occur at the central point, like zero for real numbers.

So birth and death are equal?

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Posted: 11 July 2008 04:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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What happens to our bodies after we die? Do they brake down all the way to oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.? (Assuming they are not cremated or eaten by worms, of course.)

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Posted: 11 July 2008 05:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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A Voice of Sanity - 11 July 2008 01:30 PM

No, birth is the opposite direction of death. The opposite of life is inverse life : that which when added to life produces nullity. Birth and death occur at the central point, like zero for real numbers.

Shawn - 11 July 2008 03:33 PM

So birth and death are equal?

In the sense that +0 and -0 are ‘equal’.

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Posted: 11 July 2008 06:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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By the way, mules will sure try hard to reproduce, and occasionally one of them does, to the consternation of the mare’s owner. 

I didn’t realize that I ceased to be alive when I had my vasectomy.  LOL

Some crystals reproduce (seed themselves), and fire reproduces.  Life is one of those things we can all identify, but we have a very difficult time defining - sort of like pornography (as a judge said, “I know it when I see it”).

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Posted: 11 July 2008 06:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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George - 11 July 2008 04:13 PM

What happens to our bodies after we die? Do they brake down all the way to oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.? (Assuming they are not cremated or eaten by worms, of course.)

In depends on what eats them. If it is something large, they will be broken down into large molecules. Smaller creatures deal with smaller molecules. Fire will break them down to atoms and the smallest molecules.

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Posted: 12 July 2008 05:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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George - 11 July 2008 04:13 PM

What happens to our bodies after we die? Do they brake down all the way to oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.? (Assuming they are not cremated or eaten by worms, of course.)

Yes, in this sense we are like rocks. The difference is in what I said to PC earlier when he asked what happens when a cell dies. I said: A living cell is a system far from chemical equilibrium. It has a large internal free energy, meaning that if it is allowed to die and decay towards chemical equilibrium, energy (heat) is released.

So, when we die we reach equilibrium.

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Posted: 12 July 2008 05:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Occam - 11 July 2008 06:07 PM

By the way, mules will sure try hard to reproduce, and occasionally one of them does, to the consternation of the mare’s owner. 

that’s true

I didn’t realize that I ceased to be alive when I had my vasectomy.  LOL

You didn’t cease to be alive - your cells can still be used for reproduction. Additionally, a vasectomy can often be reversed.

Some crystals reproduce (seed themselves), and fire reproduces.  Life is one of those things we can all identify, but we have a very difficult time defining - sort of like pornography (as a judge said, “I know it when I see it”).

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True, but those are chemical reactions, not biological systems (which yes certainly contain much chemistry). They are not life.

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