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Posted: 27 February 2006 11:11 AM   [ Ignore ]
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What about all the Humanists having their own country?  Say let’s go get a piece of Texas.  All of us get together and settle in one town, elect ourselves to all the political positions.  We could create a God-free zone! What say y’all?  :D

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Posted: 27 February 2006 12:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Re: Humanist Homeland?

[quote author=“wesmjohnson”]What about all the Humanists having their own country?  Say let’s go get a piece of Texas.  All of us get together and settle in one town, elect ourselves to all the political positions.  We could create a God-free zone! What say y’all?  D

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Wes,
Good idea. I’m all for it.
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Posted: 19 June 2007 11:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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wesmjohnson - 27 February 2006 11:11 AM

What about all the Humanists having their own country?  Say let’s go get a piece of Texas.  All of us get together and settle in one town, elect ourselves to all the political positions.  We could create a God-free zone! What say y’all?  :D

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I would rather see Israel relocated to New Mexico. Make the desert bloom, solve the middle east problem.
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Posted: 22 July 2007 06:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Yes, I never understood why Greenland wasn’t given for Zion.  You could set up an eruv there with (shabbat respecting) boundary wires running from one coast to the next!

Us brits are partly responsible - there was a British politician 100 years ago who was partly responsible for the Boer War, stirred up grievances in Ireland and promised a Jewish state in Palestine.  Thats quite a CV.

After WWII though, I believe we tried to avoid it and were overruled - somebody please correct me as I may be wrong.

A humanist state does sound great, though there would be the danger it would just draw up another set of battle lines and beome a gated community full of prejudiced folk looking down upon religious people elsewhere whom they consider touched.  I would hope that wouldn’t happen, but there would be a decent chance it might.

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Posted: 22 July 2007 02:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I would suggest instead, that many humanists move to Wyoming.  It has a very small population so we could take over, not only local governments but also, the state government and the federal senators and representatives.  LOL

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Posted: 22 July 2007 04:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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popeth - 22 July 2007 06:04 AM

Yes, I never understood why Greenland wasn’t given for Zion.  You could set up an eruv there with (shabbat respecting) boundary wires running from one coast to the next!

Us brits are partly responsible - there was a British politician 100 years ago who was partly responsible for the Boer War, stirred up grievances in Ireland and promised a Jewish state in Palestine.  Thats quite a CV.

After WWII though, I believe we tried to avoid it and were overruled - somebody please correct me as I may be wrong.

A humanist state does sound great, though there would be the danger it would just draw up another set of battle lines and beome a gated community full of prejudiced folk looking down upon religious people elsewhere whom they consider touched.  I would hope that wouldn’t happen, but there would be a decent chance it might.

It was a british protectorate.  The US government (rightly, in my view) changed that situation).  At the inception of this Jewish state, three neighbouring countries were threatening to nip it in the bud.  They were supplied with large amounts of high tech millitary equipment and they did the sensible machavellian trick that anyone else would do in that situation. they went on a massive land grab and took large tracts of land from the neighbouring countries so that instead of fighting over the larger tract of land that was the state of Israel, they would now turn their attention to the smaller tracts of land that are now the West bank and Gaza strip.  Against a politician of Nassau’s calibre, what the hell else would you expect them to do, one might ask.  The trouble is, that bit of strategy having worked, they now have the enormous political problem of having settled the area and the even greater problem that the siege mentalities of settler’s bring about - i.e. an extremely right wing society that will vote for who ever can come up with the nastiest and most apartheidt-esque policies.  There are some nice and reasonable Israeli’s, but no one is going to vote them into power.

As to a humanist state, I’m all for it.  I have my reasons.

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Posted: 22 July 2007 06:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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A Humanist State? You, Narwhol?! I thought humanists annoyed you almost as much as—as—well, as everybody else. wink

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Posted: 22 July 2007 06:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I may have neglected to mention what I would do to them once I’d got them all in the one place.

No, humanists are okay-ish, and I think the running their own country experience would be instructive (and not just for them - positive benefits might come out of it too).

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Posted: 22 July 2007 08:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Narwhol, I admire Brennen Mckenzie, Doug Smith, and Mriana because they are delightful, gentle humanists.  However, that doesn’t mean that all of us are not blood thirsty and vindictive.  You might be surprised at what I’d do to you once I got you in a humanist enclave.  snake

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Posted: 22 July 2007 08:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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wesmjohnson - 27 February 2006 11:11 AM

What about all the Humanists having their own country?  Say let’s go get a piece of Texas.  All of us get together and settle in one town, elect ourselves to all the political positions.  We could create a God-free zone! What say y’all?  :D

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Great idea.

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Posted: 22 July 2007 10:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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wesmjohnson - 27 February 2006 11:11 AM

What about all the Humanists having their own country?  Say let’s go get a piece of Texas.  All of us get together and settle in one town, elect ourselves to all the political positions.  We could create a God-free zone! What say y’all?  :D

Wes

Great idea.

It actually sounds pretty scary to me.

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Posted: 22 July 2007 10:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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why?

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Posted: 22 July 2007 11:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Maybe it sounds a little fanatical. I don’t know.

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Posted: 23 July 2007 11:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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I’m assuming the idea was suggested largely in jest. Obviously, the world would be better off with more tolerance rather that each little ethnic or ideological group carving out their own mini-state.

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Posted: 23 July 2007 12:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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In jest? This reminds me of “flirting” where in the case of a negative answer we would say “it was just a joke”. If the person, however, agrees with our “joke” it has a potential to evolve into something else. We have all done it. I understand that Wes’s comment was intended as a joke, but I still disagree.

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Posted: 23 July 2007 02:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Sorry George, I don’t understand. Disagree with what? The concept of a humanist homeland? I don’t know that any of us seriously support such an idea, though of course I can only speak for myself. And I don’t see joking about wanting to secede from the rest of the society, as a way of making humorous one’s frustration at the values and ideas of that society, as particularly sinister or dangerous.

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