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Why Are Public Schools Messed Up? It’s People Like THIS.
Posted: 07 December 2008 10:32 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Because of women like this.

She is on the Texas State Board of Education, overseeing a very large district. She believes public schools are unconstitutional and tyrannical because they “undermine the scriptural authority of families.” Her own kids never set foot in public schools, they were home schooled as creationists. Yet she is overseeing a large school district.

So someone who hates public schools, thinks all children should be home schooled by their families, and is an absolute creationist NUTCASE is in charge of evaluating textbooks and curriculum for an area of Texas so large it is probably bigger than the state I live in.

I don’t get how she comes to the conclusion that public schools violate the U.S. Constitution by undermining the christian bible? Since when does the U.S. Constitution have to jive with scripture? No one is violating her religious freedom, as evidenced by the fact that she was easily able to pull her kids out of public school, isolate them, and bible ‘em up at home to her heart’s content.

If she really wants ALL kids to be educated at home, the way they were before public schools, that is so sad. Before public schools, most kids were sent to work in factories or fields, and grew up illiterate or barely literate. Only the wealthy sent their kids to religious schools. Do we really want to go back to that, in the name of “god?”

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Posted: 07 December 2008 11:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Infuriating! So someone who is morally opposed to public education is on a board to oversee that very entity. Isn’t that like making Pat Robertson the ‘madam’ of a brothel? Or James Dobson the manager of a porn shop? Or James Kennedy the president of a gay rights organization?

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Posted: 07 December 2008 11:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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It’s just ridiculous. She’s in charge of textbooks, including science? We can bet she’s shutting out any textbooks that mention evolution in a positive light.

Even where state science standards call for the teaching of evolution, these nuts usually pick books that warn repeatedly throughout the text that “it’s an unproven theory” and otherwise cast doubt on evolution by pointing out so called gaps or flaws.

They don’t even understand the use of the word “theory.” Perhaps we need national science education standards. Set by actual scientists.

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Posted: 07 December 2008 04:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Remember - “People get the government they deserve.”  Apparently the Texas voters approved her or approved the legislators or governor who chose her.  Until enough of them learn how to think rationally rather tha with their intestines, they’ll continue to have this kind of ilk running the various parts of their government.

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Posted: 07 December 2008 06:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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At least Texas realizes it has a problem on it’s hands.

http://www.star-telegram.com/state_news/story/1077917.html

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Posted: 07 December 2008 06:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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asanta - 07 December 2008 06:37 PM

At least Texas realizes it has a problem on it’s hands.

http://www.star-telegram.com/state_news/story/1077917.html

“The Texas Freedom Network, a group that opposes religious influence on public education, is reacting to Dunbar’s newly published book, One Nation Under God, which refers to public education as “a subtly deceptive tool of perversion” and calls the establishment of public schools unconstitutional and “tyrannical.”

I am so happy that group - Texas Freedom Network - exists! They must be hated by many, but I’m sure they have a strong support base, as well. Standing up against the “religious right” in Texas (and other states where there is an outspoken religious majority trying to impose their views on children) takes guts. I may just send them a donation. I hope they keep up the good work!

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Posted: 08 December 2008 03:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I always expected to move back to Texas to raise my family. Part of me wants to move back there and fight this idiocy, but I don’t want my son to have to suffer through a sub-par curriculum. How much longer can this mindset really dominate public education? We’re losing our international competitiveness with this tripe.

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Posted: 10 December 2008 11:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Well soon enough we will have two Americas; The Rational American and the Believers…this is probably going to be the next rift in American society I think. A great deal of these overzealous religious folks have the “US VS THEM” mentality. I always find it interesting when they talk about “putting GOD back in the classroom” they are always talking about Christianity…never about other the other religions…what these morons never seem to be able to understand is that we start bombarding these kinds with one religion…we then out of fairness speaking would then have to teach them all…it’s the reason we are SECULAR in the first damned place to avoid this problem.

I can see it now…finals on religious practices, cultures, and customs. And just how many religions are there currently in the world now?? Last count I think over 400….not to mention Christianity itself has over 27 different sects alone…..Shit it would take probably an additional 4 years just to cover them all in depth and their differences.Not to mention lets just assume it is Baptist Christianity…would going to church 3x a week say exempt you from the course?? Or would you get more points if you spend all week at the church??

Sometimes I really feel after the Civil War we should have let the sound become it’s own isolated nation within the US….took the slaves out all those whom wanted to leave…and just simply left them to their own devices…because quite frankly I just do not believe we can truly educated these folks past their religion will allow them to consider.

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Posted: 21 January 2009 11:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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NYC has approved a new Hebrew-language charter school (privately run but publicly funded).  This article shows that it might be popular among some Russian Jews in the south Brooklyn neighborhood in which the school will be built, yet not with some rabbis:

More Than A Public School, Less Than A Yeshiva: http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c36_a14581/News/New_York.html

And here are two more articles about it, touching on cultural (rather than religious, a distinction I don’t personally make but I know I’m in the minority there) Jewishness and on the church-state separation problem in supporting such a school:

N.Y. Okays Public School With Hebrew Focus (the initial news, also addressing such a school’s intrinsic church-state separation problem, and mentioning the more controversial Khalil Gibran International Academy):
http://www.forward.com/articles/14955/

New School Flunks Unity Test: Hebrew-language Charter Should Not Have Been Approved (a commentary by educator Diane Ravitch)
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/01/18/2009-01-18_new_school_flunks_unity_test_hebrewlangu.html

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Posted: 21 January 2009 04:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Well, I suppose she could argue that public schools, by actively “undermining” religion, violate the constitutional requirement of separation of church and state, or otherwise violate the civil liberties of the believers. 

And no, I am not serious.  But, I can picture such an argument being made.

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Posted: 21 January 2009 06:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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But then what are Sunday schools for?  And, as I recall from jr. high school, some of my friends had problems with after-school activities because they had to go to Hebrew school.

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Posted: 09 July 2009 06:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Jules - 07 December 2008 10:32 AM

Because of women like this.

She is on the Texas State Board of Education, overseeing a very large district. She believes public schools are unconstitutional and tyrannical because they “undermine the scriptural authority of families.” Her own kids never set foot in public schools, they were home schooled as creationists. Yet she is overseeing a large school district.

So someone who hates public schools, thinks all children should be home schooled by their families, and is an absolute creationist NUTCASE is in charge of evaluating textbooks and curriculum for an area of Texas so large it is probably bigger than the state I live in.

I don’t get how she comes to the conclusion that public schools violate the U.S. Constitution by undermining the christian bible? Since when does the U.S. Constitution have to jive with scripture? No one is violating her religious freedom, as evidenced by the fact that she was easily able to pull her kids out of public school, isolate them, and bible ‘em up at home to her heart’s content.

If she really wants ALL kids to be educated at home, the way they were before public schools, that is so sad. Before public schools, most kids were sent to work in factories or fields, and grew up illiterate or barely literate. Only the wealthy sent their kids to religious schools. Do we really want to go back to that, in the name of “god”

It GOT WORSE! This idiot is no longer just confined to a large district. She is currently being considered to head the ENTIRE state of Texas board of education. Yes, the woman who wrote a book about how public schools are the work of Satan, and says public schools are unconstitutional and ought to be abolished in favor of home bible study only, is slated to head the public schools for the ENTIRE STATE of Texas. (Someone on the blog wrote “It’s like making an arsonist the fire chief!”)

Governor Rick Perry says she’s a great choice, because “She’ll appease the conservatives.”

Full story here:

McLeroy is down; could Texas possibly consider an even greater wackaloon to replace him?

Any sensible Texas residents out there, please write or call your elected officials and make your voice known!

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Posted: 10 July 2009 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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I guess things could be worse, but Gov. Goodhair has appointed Gail Lowe as Chairwoman of the TX State Board of Education. While she has not published a book describing public education as a tool of Satan, she does oppose teaching sound science, and opposes teaching children about alternative lifestyles. More information here.

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Posted: 10 July 2009 11:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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fotobits - 10 July 2009 10:38 AM

I guess things could be worse, but Gov. Goodhair has appointed Gail Lowe as Chairwoman of the TX State Board of Education. While she has not published a book describing public education as a tool of Satan, she does oppose teaching sound science, and opposes teaching children about alternative lifestyles. More information here.

Looks like the governor had a last minute change of heart! It appears the “replacement” is another crazy lady, only slightly better!

I suppose we’re lucky the replacement thinks public schools are an “acceptable” form of education, whereas the other thought they were the work of Satan…  rolleyes

But seriously, the children deserve a sound education in science. It’s so sad.

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Posted: 10 July 2009 01:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Whle these ladies are an immediate probem, the much more far-reaching one is the Texas governor who appointed them,  and who the Texas voters elected.

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Posted: 10 July 2009 02:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Hello. Reading this I have to agree that this is nuts. The “Christian” idea of “Reclaiming America for Christ” is nonsense and to have education distorted like this is dangerous. I have a question though: I understand the separation of church and state in this country and I think it’s great, but why don’t they just teach “ethics” classes in public schools, educating people about religion, ethics, etc. It’s done like that in Germany and apparently in Canada too I heard someone mention on these boards. That way they would remove this whole controversy. The religious people won’t have to be afraid that there are “no morals” in school and biology is taught next to religion, in context I mean. Or is there something in the American Constitution that would not allow this?
Thanks!

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