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Posted: 19 December 2008 06:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Quote Brennen:

. . .I’m ambivalent about a truly multiparty system. . .

I agree, but the instant runoff system would show the major candidates where their voters are.  For example, if Obama had won but seen that at the first count he had 18% of the vote,  Kucinich 17%, Hillary 13% and Nader had 4%, but on the second or third recount when the candidates with the lowest votes are eliminated and their votes go to their second choice he gets 52%, it would show the prevalence of the views Kucinich espoused.  This could help guide him to a more liberal stance.

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Posted: 20 December 2008 08:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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OldSquid - 18 December 2008 04:56 PM

Obama has Mega Church founder Rick Warren to give the inauguration invocation.  Warren who supported California’s Prop 8 also says he isn’t a homophobe.

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Christopher Hitchins on Warren 12/19/2008:

http://www.slate.com/id/2207148/

Or the full Hitchins:
http://www.hitchensweb.com/

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Posted: 21 December 2008 12:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Fresh from being tapped to deliver the invocation at President-elect Barack Obama’s inauguration, Orange County Pastor Rick Warren spoke Saturday night to about 800 members of the Muslim Public Affairs Council at its convention in Long Beach.

Warren’s theme was about people getting along, forgetting their differences and focusing on areas of agreement. The audience cheered him, and many people rose to their feet.

Among the first to stand was singer Melissa Etheridge, a lesbian, who performed for the audience.

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Obama and the conservative white pastor have often found common ground. After meeting in Washington in January 2006, they began speaking regularly by phone.

While writing his best-selling book “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama asked Warren, author of the 2002 bestseller “The Purpose Driven Life,” to review the chapter on faith.

Warren also served as part of a “prayer circle” of supportive clergy leaders during Obama’s presidential campaign.

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It should be noted that the Muslim Public Affairs Council’s co-founder Salam Al-Marayati is a variant “Troofer” in that he publicly stated the Joooooooooos may have been behind 9/11.

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Posted: 21 December 2008 01:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Discord!What a joke!Is it dangerous,or at least disconcerting,when we the citizens don’t know what direction we’re headed?And we don’t!!Who has the helm?Can anyone identify a Politic here in the USA?
This is all the result of Hyper-capitalism.Now we’re gonna bask in it.

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Posted: 21 December 2008 08:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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While I really don’t care in any way who is giving the invocation, I do find some things about this interesting.

First, while I in no way agree with someone like Warren, I am pleased to see that these and other choices are upsetting in some way to the far left.  I am equally pleased when I hear the right whining about some decision or position they don’t like.  I want a pragmatist that’s going to, for the most part, float around in the middle and make liberals and conservatives equally unhappy!

The second point is, and this is a big shock, Obama is a politician! 
Now, I didn’t have a hard time voting for him.  But, despite the obvious historical significance of his ethnic background, I didn’t buy any of the Hope and Change rhetoric they were selling.  His positions, as best I can tell, are more in line with my goals than were McCains.

Let’s see what he does when he actually takes office.  Politicians say a lot of things, I’m more concerned with what they do.

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Posted: 22 December 2008 07:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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We seem to have drifted quite a ways from the role of Rick Warren in Obama’s inaguration. Further discussion of Hugo Chavez should take place in a thread dedicated to that topic.

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Posted: 22 December 2008 07:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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I came across this blog post by Melissa Etheridge, explaining her decision to embrace Rick Warren. She decided to invite him get to know her and see what a loving stable home a gay family can be, rather than hate or protest him.

“The Choice Is Ours Now”

A small piece from the posting:

“Brothers and sisters the choice is ours now. We have the world’s attention. We have the capability to create change, awesome change in this world, but before we change minds we must change hearts. Sure, there are plenty of hateful people who will always hold on to their bigotry like a child to a blanket. But there are also good people out there, Christian and otherwise that are beginning to listen. They don’t hate us, they fear change. Maybe in our anger, as we consider marches and boycotts, perhaps we can consider stretching out our hands. Maybe instead of marching on his church, we can show up en mass and volunteer for one of the many organizations affiliated with his church that work for HIV/AIDS causes all around the world.

Maybe if they get to know us, they wont fear us.”

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Posted: 23 December 2008 08:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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mckenzievmd - 22 December 2008 07:14 PM

We seem to have drifted quite a ways from the role of Rick Warren in Obama’s inaguration. Further discussion of Hugo Chavez should take place in a thread dedicated to that topic.

NB: Hugo Chavez discussion now split off and given its own thread.

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Posted: 23 December 2008 08:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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dougsmith - 23 December 2008 08:14 AM
mckenzievmd - 22 December 2008 07:14 PM

We seem to have drifted quite a ways from the role of Rick Warren in Obama’s inaguration. Further discussion of Hugo Chavez should take place in a thread dedicated to that topic.

NB: Hugo Chavez discussion now split off and given its own thread.

I was wondering why it took so long.

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Posted: 23 December 2008 11:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Quote Truthaddict:

I was wondering why it took so long.

We moderators believe in minimum control because we expect the members to exercise self-discipline.  LOL

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Posted: 23 December 2008 12:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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I had the initial idea to see if I could intentionally pull the conversation off into the topic of self-discipline, but I wasnt sure if the joke would be “got.”

All I did was respond to a comment on Venezuela and it got jumped on. I didnt intend to sidetrack the conversation, but just note my opposition to a particular statement.

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Posted: 23 December 2008 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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No blame being given, TA. COnversations drift, and we’re pretty lenient about it unless it seems, as in this case, like the shift is abrupt and to a clearly novel topic.

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Posted: 23 December 2008 06:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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mckenzievmd - 23 December 2008 05:47 PM

No blame being given, TA. COnversations drift, and we’re pretty lenient about it unless it seems, as in this case, like the shift is abrupt and to a clearly novel topic.

Punctuated equilibrium.  grin

...which, to stay on topic, Rick Warren apparently doesn’t believe in.  grin

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Posted: 24 December 2008 08:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Posted: 24 December 2008 09:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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