Great conversation, went very well with my morning coffee. I think there’s great power in focusing on the science, and what science is, and having someone such as Jerry, a brilliant scientist with a wonderful ability to explain science is a win-win. I was delighted the focus remained on Jerry’s expertise and delved deeper into his knowledge. I think, whether he recognizes it or not, he answers the way forward in attempting to dispel creationism (in its various guises), and like others, he is bringing the science front and center is a positive light (in this podcast and his book). He clearly demonstrated why evolution matters and what it means in the larger context. It is because of these things I am dismayed by his more ‘culture war’ claims, such as “supernatural phenomena are not beyond the realm of science” or “God was part of science” (confusing the issue - though I understand the point - i.e. - it’s not science), which only gives the appearance of being scientific, while falling far short. I am not even slightly suggesting Jerry, or anyone, not to engage the “supernatural” belief aspect (or the so-called ‘culture war’ - though I am troubled by the emphasis on ‘war’ used by many in our camp), only that its better not to begin by confusing the science. The facts and theories of evolution are confronted by non-science in the form of creationist beliefs, which also suggest we should be precise and cautious in whom we label ‘creationist’ while speaking in the context of what is science and scientific. Science simply does not deal in the “supernatural”.
I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation, thank you.