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Posted: 08 May 2009 06:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 91 ]
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Pierre - 28 April 2009 06:17 PM

I explained that 19 is the gematrical value of “one” and “guidance”.  19 is the symbol of the Oneness of God, the most important message in Holy scriptures.

The words “one” and “guidance” seem important because it supports
the idea of God that the Qu’ran promotes.  But would you, Pierre,
see it as equally important if the gematrical values of some
negative words were multiples of 19?  These words should have
equal import, if they exist in the Qu’ran.  What if “two”, “none”,
“lie”, “false”, “abandon”, “murderer”, “infidel”, “Christian”,
“monster” or some word that disagrees with the Qu’ran has an
Arabic gematrical multiple of 19?

I think that you show favoritism for ideas that support the
Qu’ran and have a gematrical multiple of 19.  While making your
assertions, Pierre, you never mention counter-points that you
divised and then disprove.  That bias is the biggest obstacle that
the people here have to being convinced of your points, Pierre.
Keep in mind Pierre that the data you post is not yours, you didn’t
verify that it is accurate, you could verify it by writing a modern
program that analyzes the Unicode Arabic text of the Qu’ran in
the various ways that you claim.  Once made, it can analyze any
electronic text, and the results of “Peter Pan” and such can be
compared to the Qu’ran to see if the Qu’ran is special somehow.

Here is an example of what a biased attitude can produce, we ALL
are susceptible to bias.  A protest against Intelligent Design
started a few years ago by drawing a sloppy silly arbitrary clump
of pasta, the web site Venganza is part of that protest. 
Many people now see that image occurring in nature.  They post the
images to the web site (and its forum under General Discussion)
to prove that people can use their bias to see, even such an
arbitrary shape, in nature.  Every child knows that it is fun
to see recognizable shapes in the clouds, and to see scorpions,
crabs, dippers, and hunters in the patterns of stars of the sky.

letter-thumbnail.jpg fsmpan1.jpg ap01.jpg fireworks.jpg ic_2163-2.jpg 3321083745_0b713d210d.jpg?v=0

Many of your points about multiples of 19, Pierre, seem to be
examples of this sort of bias.

Pierre - 28 April 2009 06:17 PM

In addition the creation is also coded with 19: A german scientist, Dr. plichta, discovered that the periodic table of elements is coded with 19: http://www.submission.org/miracle/19-chemistry.html The earth-moon-sun align perfectly every 19 years, but who cares on this forum? Just another coincidence and baseless numerology!

I am no chemist, but my periodic table has 103 elements (it is old)
marking 90 of them as stable (1-92 excluding elements 43 and 61)
and your web site doesn’t account for the difference between 90
and the (multiple of 9) 81 elements that it claims are connected
to the number 19.

  90
  ⎲ k / 19 = 215.52631, then subtracting 43 and 61 from the sum
  ⎳              of k’s and dividing by 19 equals 210.05263. 
  k=1             Neither result is a multiple of 19.

“That would be without importance in the number theory , if
the second element did not possess two protons, the third three
protons, the fourth four protons etc… In this way all elements
are consecutively represented from 1 to 83 nicely . This proves,
that the nature is very orderly.”  (from that last URL)

That does not prove that nature is orderly.  Whenever you have a
discrete unit of measurement (an electron, a proton, a kilometer,
a kilogram, a television channel, an audio CD (which might
hold 8, 9, 10, 11 ... songs), ... you will wind up with simple
integer arithmetic!  That is what integer arithmetic was invented
to represent, discrete units of 1, the number 1 is the unit, unity.
We humans find integers easier, so we invented them, but real numbers
are more realistic and natural.

The Origin of the Periodic Table is a nice tutorial on the
structure of electron valances.  It has a nice java applet that
shows that the pattern of electrons valances is not as simple
as atomic number plus one electron/proton pair equals the
atomic number plus one.

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jump_in_the_pit - 08 May 2009 06:41 PM

 
The words “one” and “guidance” seem important because it supports
the idea of God that the Qu’ran promotes.  But would you, Pierre,
see it as equally important if the gematrical values of some
negative words were multiples of 19?  These words should have
equal import, if they exist in the Qu’ran.  What if “two”, “none”,
“lie”, “false”, “abandon”, “murderer”, “infidel”, “Christian”,
“monster” or some word that disagrees with the Qu’ran has an
Arabic gematrical multiple of 19?

Hi “Jump in the pit”,

I consider your remark as a valid one. The science of gematrical value is very new and has not been studied yet on a comprehensive scale. I personnally hope that we will quickly get to the point where there will be an Arabic dictionnary that includes gematrical values, and that studies will help us understand better how different words with a same gematrical value can shed light on various aspects of Quran.
With 361 (19x19) I noticed that several words match this gematrical value, and I suspect that there is a form of duality in the meaning of gematrical values with sometimes rather opposite meanings.
On the other hand it is in my opinion very clear that for example some astounding patterns observed with “361” connect with one of the meanings of 361 in the context of 361 exposing 9:128-129 as false verses in the Quran: “everything” (GV 361) (see http://www.islamrevolution.org/361mainarticle.htm table 22, also 4.2 shows in my opinion a connection between numbers 361 and 722 which is key to understand why the 361st occurrence of God in Quran is associated with the word “lie” GV 722).
My belief is that in the future the study of gematrical values will become a great science, and hopefully people will understand how it works in the light of patterns rather than guessing which can mislead people.
As for the meaning of 19,
From my little experience, I suspect that with gematrical values it is possible there is a form of duality with a positive and negative meanings.

jump_in_the_pit - 08 May 2009 06:41 PM

 
I think that you show favoritism for ideas that support the
Qu’ran and have a gematrical multiple of 19.  While making your
assertions, Pierre, you never mention counter-points that you
divised and then disprove.  That bias is the biggest obstacle that
the people here have to being convinced of your points, Pierre.
Keep in mind Pierre that the data you post is not yours, you didn’t
verify that it is accurate, you could verify it by writing a modern
program that analyzes the Unicode Arabic text of the Qu’ran in
the various ways that you claim.  Once made, it can analyze any
electronic text, and the results of “Peter Pan” and such can be
compared to the Qu’ran to see if the Qu’ran is special somehow.
Many of your points about multiples of 19, Pierre, seem to be
examples of this sort of bias.

jump_in_the_pit - 08 May 2009 06:41 PM

 

I checked personnally the overwhelming majority of the data I posted.
The miracle of 19 is a reality simply because:
► There are 114 suras (chapters) in the Quran (19x6)
► There are 6346 verses in the Quran (19x334, 6234 numbered and 112 unnumbered verses called “Bismillahs”), and 6 +3 + 4 + 6 = 19
► The word Quran, refering to God, occurs exactly 57 times, (19x3)
► All suras, except sura 9, start with the following statement: “In the Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful” (commonly known as the “Bismillah”), which occurs 114 times, 19x6, in the entire Quran (one extra Bismillah is found in 27:30). This fundamental statement is composed with 19 letters.
► Each of the four key words (Name, God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful) of the opening 19 lettered statement (Bismillah) have a frequency that is multiple of 19 throughout the Quran, without exception:
► The word name occurs 19 times.
► The word God occurs 2698 times (19x142)
► The word “most Gracious” occurs 57 times.
► The word “Most Merciful” occurs 114 times.
► All words of the Bismillah occur in 1919 verses in the entire Quran.

ETC…ETC…

It is simple, it is straightforward, it is statistically overwhelming.
It is not like if I were picking the word apple because it occured 19 times, or noting that the addition of Muhammad and some other name would generate a 19 multiple, thus making up arbitrary multiples.

Regarding the miracle of the Bismillah I suggest you read:
Beyond probability: http://www.submission.org/beyond.html
If you read the data after table 6, you will see how truly incredible (to say the least…) it gets.

No matter how scientifically sound the miracle of 19 may be, it all comes down to on ething: sincerity. If one is not sincere, he/she can be the greatest mathematician on earth, he/she will either not see it, deny it, or make up martians/UFOs like stories to deny the existence of God.

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My goodness.  It’s nice to see that you never repeat yourself in your posts.  cool grin

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Pierre - 09 May 2009 01:55 AM

it is statistically overwhelming.

You aren’t writing about statistics, Pierre. Before asserting that something is “statistically overwhelming” you should learn what statistics are and how they are properly used.

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dougsmith - 09 May 2009 12:39 PM
Pierre - 09 May 2009 01:55 AM

it is statistically overwhelming.

You aren’t writing about statistics, Pierre. Before asserting that something is “statistically overwhelming” you should learn what statistics are and how they are properly used.


The reason why you say that is that you did not bother to go to the link I posted (http://www.masjidtucson.org/downloads/bp.pdf).
So here it is: what about this?:

FACT 1. The Basmalah consists of 19 Arabic letters.
Bism (3 letters, GV 102), Allah (4 letters, GV 66), al Rahman (6 letters, GV 329), al Raheem (6 letters, GV 289).
FACT 2. The sequence number of each word in the Basmalah followed by the
number of letters in it forms an 8-digit number that is a multiple of 19:
1 3 2 4 3 6 4 6 = 19 x 19 x 36686
FACT 3. Replace the number of letters in each word in Fact 2 by the total
gematrical value of that word. Thus, the sequence number of each word is followed
by its total gematrical value, to form a 15-digit number that is a multiple of 19:
1 102 2 66 3 329 4 289 = 19 x 5801401752331
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FACT 4. Replace the total gematrical value of each word in Fact 3 by the
gematrical value of every letter in that word. For instance, the total gematrical
value of the first word, 102, is replaced by 2 60 40. Similarly, the total gematrical
value of the second word, 66, is replaced by 1 30 30 5, and so on. The result is a
37-digit number that is a multiple of 19:
1 2 60 40 2 1 30 30 5 3 1 30 200 8 40 50 4 1 30 200 8 10 40
= 19 x 66336954226595422109686863843162160
FACT 5. Insert the sequence number of each letter in the word before its
gematrical value in Fact 4. For example, the gematrical values of the letters in first
word are 2 60 40. When we insert the sequence numbers of the letters, we get 1 2
2 60 3 40, where the sequence numbers are in italics, the gematrical values are in
bold. Similarly, the gematrical values of the letters in the second word are 1 30 30
5. When we insert the sequence numbers of the letters, we get 1 1 2 30 3 30 4
5, and so on. When all the numbers are put together, the result is a 56-digit number
that is a multiple of 19:
1 1 2 2 60 3 40 2 1 1 2 30 3 30 4 5 3 1 1 2 30 3 200 4 8 5 40 6 50
4 1 1 2 30 3 200 4 8 5 10 6 40
= 19 x 590843895848580686595 . . .
FACT 6. Replace the total gematrical value of each word in Fact 3 by the sum of
the gematrical values of the first and the last letter in that word. For instance, the
total gematrical value of the first word, 102, is replaced by 42. The number 42 is
the sum of 2 and 40, which are the gematrical values of the first and the last letter
in the first word. Similarly, the total gematrical value of the second word, 66, is
replaced by 6, the sum of 1 and 5. Repeating this process for the four words of the
Basmalah, we get an 11-digit number that is a multiple of 19:
1 42 2 6 3 51 4 41 = 19 x 748755339
(2+40) (1+5) (1+50) (1+40)
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FACT 7. Consider the numbers used in Fact 2 and Fact 3. In Fact 2, the sequence
number of each word is followed by the number of letters (3, 4, 6, and 6) in the
word. In Fact 3, we replace the number letters by the gematrical values of the
words (102, 66, 329, and 289). Now, for this case, the sequence number of each
word will be followed by the sum of the number of letters and the gematrical value
of the word. Therefore, the number we use for the first word will be 105 (3+102). It
will be 70 (4+66) for the second word, 335 (6+329) for the third word, and 295
(6+289) for the fourth word.
Thus the sequence number of each word in the Basmalah is followed by the
numbers 105, 70, 335, and 295 respectively to form a 15-digit number that is also a
multiple of 19:
1 105 2 70 3 335 4 295 = 19 x 5817212281805
(3+102) (4+66) (6+329) (6+289)
FACT 8. Consider Fact 2, where the sequence number of each word in the
Basmalah is followed by the number of letters in the word. In this case, the
sequence number of each word will be followed by the total number of letters up to
and including that word (cumulative total). For example, the number of letters in
the Basmalah’ s four words are 3, 4, 6 and 6, respectively. Then the cumulative
total number of letters will be 3 for the first word. It will be 7 (3+4) for the second
word, 13 (3+4+6) for the third word, and finally 19 (3+4+6+6) for the last word.
Therefore, we write down the sequence numbers of the words followed by the
cumulative total number of letters corresponding to the word. The result is a 10-
digit number that is also a multiple of 19:
1 3 2 7 3 13 4 19 = 19 x 69858601
(3+4) (3+4+6) (3+4+6+6)
FACT 9. This fact is very similar to Fact 8. In this fact, instead of using the
cumulative total number of letters for each word, we use the cumulative total of the
gematrical values of the letters corresponding to the word. For example, the
gematrical value of the letters in the Basmalah’ s four words are 102, 66, 329 and
289, respectively. Then the cumulative total of the gematrical values of the letters
will be 102 for the first word. It will be 168 (102+66) for the second word, 497
(102+66+329) for the third word, and finally 786 (102+66+329+289) for the last
word.
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Therefore, we write down the sequence numbers of the words followed by the
cumulative total of the gematrical values of the letters corresponding to the word.
The resultant 16-digit number is a multiple of 19:
1 102 2 168 3 497 4 786 = 19 x 58011412367094
(102+66) (102+66+329) (102+66+329+289)
FACT 10. The gematrical value of each letter is followed by its sequence number
(1 through 19) in the Basmalah to form a 62-digit number that is a multiple of 19.
The sequence numbers are printed in bold:
2 1 60 2 40 3 1 4 30 5 30 6 5 7 1 8 30 9 200 10 8 11 40 12 50 13
1 14 30 15 200 16 8 17 10 18 40 19 = 19 x 113696858647647 …
In this fact, each one of the four words of the Basmalah is underlined to show the
numbers representing these words. This information will be helpful to understand
the next fact.
FACT 11. Insert the sequence number of each word (1, 2, 3, and 4) at the end of
the underlined numbers in Fact 10 while keeping all the numbers the same. The
result is a 66-digit number that is a multiple of 19. The sequence numbers of the
words are printed in italics:
2 1 60 2 40 3 1 1 4 30 5 30 6 5 7 2 1 8 30 9 200 10 8 11 40 12 50 13 3
1 14 30 15 200 16 8 17 10 18 40 19 4 = 19 x 113696858647647 …
FACT 12. Consider the numbers in Fact 11, and replace the sequence numbers of
the words (1, 2, 3, and 4) with their gematrical values (102, 66, 329, and 289),
while keeping all the other numbers the same. The result is a 73-digit number, also
a multiple of 19:
2 1 60 2 40 3 102 1 4 30 5 30 6 5 7 66 1 8 30 9 200 10 8 11 40 12 50 13
329 1 14 30 15 200 16 8 17 10 18 40 19 289 = 19 x 113696858647647 …
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FACT 13. This time let us change the position of the gematrical values of the
words (102, 66, 329, and 289) in Fact 12, and put them preceding the words,
instead of following them. The resultant number, still 73 digits, is also a multiple of
19:
102 2 1 60 2 40 3 66 1 4 30 5 30 6 5 7 329 1 8 30 9 200 10 8 11 40 12 50
13 289 1 14 30 15 200 16 8 17 10 18 40 19 = 19 x 113696858647647 …
FACT 14. For each word of the Basmalah, write down the following:
a) Number of letters in the word,
b) The total gematrical value of the word,
c) The gematrical value of each letter in the word.
For example, consider the first word of the Basmalah. It has three letters. The total
gematrical value of these letters is 102. The individual gematrical values of each
letter are 2, 60, and 40 respectively. Therefore, we write 3 102 2 60 40 for the first
word, and so on. The entire number is 48 digits long, and is a multiple of 19. It is
given below with the numbers for each word underlined.
3 102 2 60 40 4 66 1 30 30 5 6 329 1 30 200 8 40 50 6 289 1 30 200 8 10 40
= 19 x 16327686340 …
FACT 15. In Fact 14, the total gematrical values of the words are printed in bold.
Now, we draw your attention to these bold numbers as we place them as the last
item in each underlined word. The resultant number, still 48 digits long, is also a
multiple of 19:
3 2 60 40 102 4 1 30 30 5 66 6 1 30 200 8 40 50 329 6 1 30 200 8 10 40 289
= 19 x 16327686340 …
FACT 16. Let us represent each one of the four words of the Basmalah by the
sequence number of the letters in it. For example, the first word is represented by
123, since it has the first three letters of the Basmalah. The second word is
represented by 4567 since it contains the letters 4, 5, 6, and 7. Similarly, the third
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word is represented by 8910111213, and the fourth word by 141516171819, since
they contain the letters 8-13 and 14-19 respectively. If we add these four numbers
representing the words of the Basmalah, the result is a 12-digit number that is a
multiple of 19:
123 + 4567 + 8910111213 + 141516171819
= 150426287722 = 19 x 7917173038
FACT 17. Consider the numbers that represented each word of the Basmalah in
Fact 16. Instead of adding these numbers, we write each one down, followed by the
sequence number of the word. For example, the first number, 123, which
represents the first word, is followed by 1. The second number, 4567, which
represents the second word, is followed by 2, and so on. The result is now a 33-
digit number, also a multiple of 19:
1 2 3 1 4 5 6 7 2 8 9 10 11 12 13 3 14 15 16 17 18 19 4
= 19 x 64813512047900 . . .
FACT 18. This fact is based on three numbers only. We know that the Basmalah
consists of 4 words, 19 letters with a total gematrical value of 786. Now, let us put
these numbers together. The result is a 6-digit number, a multiple of 19:
4 19 786 = 19 x 22094
FACT 19. The Basmalah is Verse 1 of the Quran. It consists of 19 Arabic letters.
These 19 letters constitute the four words with the number of letters in each word
being 3, 4, 6, and 6 respectively. Based on this information, let us write down 1 for
the verse number, followed by 19 for the number of letters, and followed by 3, 4, 6,
and 6 for the letters in each word of the Basmalah. The result is a 7-digit number as
follows:
1 19 3466 = 19 x 19 x 19 x 174
As we see, this number is not only once, or twice, but three times a multiple of 19.
Is it feasible for such an intricate, interwoven, and absolutely awesome
mathematical system to be nothing more than coincidence?
gulp  big surprise  big surprise  big surprise

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This bears no resemblance whatever to a proper statistical analysis. It’s just meaningless ex post facto pattern fitting.

It would appear that you have no actual interest in doing a proper statistical analysis, but that all you really want to do is to find spurious reasons to believe the falsehoods you already believe. If you are, in fact, interested in statistics, you should enroll in a proper statistics course or two and learn how it’s actually done.

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dougsmith - 09 May 2009 01:21 PM

This bears no resemblance whatever to a proper statistical analysis. It’s just meaningless ex post facto pattern fitting.

It would appear that you have no actual interest in doing a proper statistical analysis, but that all you really want to do is to find spurious reasons to believe the falsehoods you already believe. If you are, in fact, interested in statistics, you should enroll in a proper statistics course or two and learn how it’s actually done.

I see….and can you detail with facts why the previous post is not relevant. As for a statistical analysis, again you prove you did not read the link (see page 19) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=beyond+probability+arik&btnG=Search

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Those instructions for how to gather these numbers are very
creative patterns, they seem fun.  grin They seem like wonderful
patterns in the clouds.  I don’t think that they indicate a God,
nor omnipotence, but they do lead me away from my earlier idea
that 19 was deliberately designed into the Qu’ran by Muhammad
and helpers.

For 110,226,633,294,289 (let’s set n equal to than number) from
FACT 3, also has other multiples:

divisor │ n/divisor
───────────────────
  19      │  5801401752331.00000
  23      │  4792462317143.00000

† Note: Prime numbers are colored red.


For 1,260,402,130,305,313,020,084,050,413,020,081,040 (let’s set
n equal to than number) from FACT 4, also has other multiples:

divisor │    n/divisor
───────────────────────────────────────
    2     │    630,201,065,152,656,510,042,025,206,510,040,520.00000
    4     │    315,100,532,576,328,255,021,012,603,255,020,260.00000
    5     │    252,080,426,061,062,604,016,810,082,604,016,208.00000
    8     │    157,550,266,288,164,127,510,506,301,627,510,130.00000
  10     │    126,040,213,030,531,302,008,405,041,302,008,104.00000
  16     │      78,775,133,144,082,063,755,253,150,813,755,065.00000
  19      │      66,336,954,226,595,422,109,686,863,843,162,160.00000
  20     │      63,020,106,515,265,651,004,202,520,651,004,052.00000
  38     │      33,168,477,113,297,711,054,843,431,921,581,080.00000
  40     │      31,510,053,257,632,825,502,101,260,325,502,026.00000
  76     │      16,584,238,556,648,855,527,421,715,960,790,540.00000
  80     │      15,755,026,628,816,412,751,050,630,162,751,013.00000
  95     │      13,267,390,845,319,084,421,937,372,768,632,432.00000


For 11,226,034,021,123,033,045,311,230,320,048,540,650,411,230,320,048,510,640
(let’s set n equal to that number) from FACT 5 also has other
multiples:

divisor │  n/divisor
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────
    2     │  5,613,017,010,561,516,522,655,615,160,024,270,325,205,615,160,024,255,320.00000
    4     │  2,806,508,505,280,758,261,327,807,580,012,135,162,602,807,580,012,127,660.00000
    5      │  2,245,206,804,224,606,609,062,246,064,009,708,130,082,246,064,009,702,128.00000
    8     │  140,325,425,264,037,913,066,390,379,000,606,758,130,140,379,000,606,383,0.00000
  10     │  112,260,340,211,230,330,453,112,303,200,485,406,504,112,303,200,485,106,4.00000
  16     │      701,627,126,320,189,565,331,951,895,003,033,790,650,701,895,003,031,915.00000
  19    │        590,843,895,848,580,686,595,327,911,581,502,139,495,327,911,581,500,560.00000
  20     │      561,301,701,056,151,652,265,561,516,002,427,032,520,561,516,002,425,532.00000
  38     │      295,421,947,924,290,343,297,663,955,790,751,069,747,663,955,790,750,280.00000
  40     │      280,650,850,528,075,826,132,780,758,001,213,516,260,280,758,001,212,766.00000
  76     │      147,710,973,962,145,171,648,831,977,895,375,534,873,831,977,895,375,140.00000
  80     │      140,325,425,264,037,913,066,390,379,000,606,758,130,140,379,000,606,383.00000
  95     │      118,168,779,169,716,137,319,065,582,316,300,427,899,065,582,316,300,112.00000


Those tables only scratch the surface.

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To help me with those tables I used this Linux command, these
are bash(1) and sed(1) commands.  First set focus and maxdiv
to Pierre’s numbers (by highlighting one of them and then pasting
it), and to 100 (or what ever number you like) like so:

focus="1 102 2 66 3 329 4 289"maxdiv=100 

Then the next command is :

$ for i in $(seq 1 1 $maxdiv); do echo Attempt$i; echo $focus sed "s/ //g; s/.*/scale = 5; & \/ $i/;" bc sed "s/.*/│  &  │/; "; echo Next?; read j; if test "X$j"Xn" -"X$j"XN"then break; fidone 

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That is demonstration of how a little bit of software (above) can
help with this gematrical multiple of 19 idea.  A fully-featured
modern software program would help much much more.  Help to find
more 19’s, and other numbers.  Gather those results together and
then start the statistic analysis (a mathematical job).

There are many tools that could do the two jobs of

  1) to parse the text into numbers, groups, and patterns (Python,
  C would be laborious but very capable, Perl, and many other
  modern languages) and

  2) a statistics package (perhaps Matlab or a clone of it like Octave,
  Data Desk, R, Sage or a variety of others) many of which
  could surely do a better job than what the Dr. Rashad Khalifa did
  in the 1960’s computers.

As Doug pointed out correctly, the math must be done before
claiming statistical results… no cheating.  Remember that you
said…

Pierre - 17 April 2009 10:26 PM
jump_in_the_pit - 17 April 2009 09:09 PM

So which are the most used letters in Arabic and what are their
values?  In English the vowels are the most used letters, does
Arabic have vowels?  I’d like to see an analysis on the patterns
of the letters’ values in common Arabic?  I wonder if the most
used letters could create a tendency for Arabic versus to have
a particular total value, generally speaking?  Maybe the Koran
is simply written with a particular writing style that happens
to have a particular total that recurs.

I don’t know if such a study has been done.

And please, Pierre, stop repeating the data.  No-one is really
questioning the data (the gematrical values from the Qu’ran),
what they are questioning is the 1) analysis (the multiples,
and other combinations of numbers), and 2) the conclusions (that
God exists, wrote the Qu’ran, and likes the number 19).

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Here, this script is much more automated.

Step 1:

focus="1 102 2 66 3 329 4 289"maxdiv=100 

Step 2:

printf "divisor │  n/divisor\n───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────\n"; for i in $(seq 1 1 $maxdiv); do j=$(echo $focus sed "s/ //g; s/.*/scale = 5; & \/ $i/;" bc sed "/\.00000\$/{s/.*/&/; p;}; d;"); if test \"X$j"X"then printf "  %5d │  %63.5f\n" $i $j sed "s/       //g;"fidone 

That is, after you get bash(1) (or sh(1)), sed(1), seq(1),
printf(1) and bc(1).  Windows users can use GetGnuWin32 to get
Sh-Utils, Bc, Sed; also get win-bash.

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That makes absolutely no sense, but then again, I was never good at math.

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jump_in_the_pit - 10 May 2009 01:33 AM

Here, this script is much more automated.

Step 1:

focus="1 102 2 66 3 329 4 289"maxdiv=100 

Step 2:

printf "divisor │  n/divisor\n───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────\n"; for i in $(seq 1 1 $maxdiv); do j=$(echo $focus sed "s/ //g; s/.*/scale = 5; & \/ $i/;" bc sed "/\.00000\$/{s/.*/&/; p;}; d;"); if test \"X$j"X"then printf "  ] │  c.5f\n" $i $j sed "s/       //g;"fidone 

That is, after you get bash(1) (or sh(1)), sed(1), seq(1),
printf(1) and bc(1).  Windows users can use GetGnuWin32 to get
Sh-Utils, Bc, Sed; also get win-bash.

I love this forum.

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Mriana - 10 May 2009 09:54 AM

That makes absolutely no sense, but then again, I was never good at math.

What doesn’t make sense?  The code?  My tables of the big numbers’ multiples? 

The code was just a shell (although somewhat large) command, meant for Unix type of computers (Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OS X, Solaris, etc.).  The urls are just there so that the Windows users can try it out also, if
they’d like to.  Was I too terse and confusing?

The tables are just the big numbers that Pierre posted, divided by 1 then 2 then 3 and so on, until a integer multiple was found (a mantissa of all zeros, or no remainder after dividing).  The shell commands help to
generate the tables, automatically, in a cheap quick and dirty sort of way.

(All the coloring of the text in a block are not my doing, that is automatic.  It is called syntax highlighting and is intended to help you dissect the code more easily, but this forum uses so many and such bright colors that it looks ridiculous.)

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Well, I never got past HTML, CSS, or DHTML.  I had not clue it was a Unix type code. So the whole thing didn’t make sense.

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