No arguments here… The truth is to be advised, not argued. Just to clarify, the link to this forum stems from http://www.secularislam.org which is a clear misrepresentation as secular denotes completely non-religious, and islam completely religious, so I decided to post my comments…
I understand you don’t believe in one sole creator, or any creator at all; it’s obvious by your posts, but you now have an opportunity to explain to me why I should believe what you believe to be the truth…
I am asking for information, not arguing, etc… Just like others on this forum ask for information from you all, I am doing the same… The truth is the truth, regardless of anyone’s opinion..
So, as I believe, when the truth is known, it is upon us (including myself) to accept it…
So, explain to me (atheist, secularist, humanist, etc…), what is the purpose of creation, what is the purpose of life? How are we supposed to live our lives?
(((please don’t respond with any variation of the following:
atheist A - well, i think…....
secularist B - well, i believe…......
humanist C - well, i feel…..... )))
I want facts, not opinions…
Since you deleted my other post (understandably, and my apologies for not reading the rules), I will respond to the George post here:
George, if you are relying solely on science to give a reason for existence, save yourself the trouble. In the past century, through science, secularist have just begun to learn things which were already known centuries ago. Science however may be used as an additional proof of what is already known.
example (read it all, and you’ll understand the point, God willing):
Internal waves on the ocean floor: even we are not able to see these waves firsthand, not even with the most technologically advanced submarines…we would be crushed on the way down (3 miles +)... ”.......On a smaller scale, internal waves (long recognized as a curiosity) became part of the oceanographic mainstream.”.....“In 1931, Ekman took some current measurements with a string of Ekman meters suspended on a vertical mooring.” - http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9702&page=46”
“Midnight Zone: Ninety percent of the ocean is in the midnight zone. It is entirely dark—there is no light. The water pressure is extreme. The temperature is near freezing.
The midnight zone is also called the aphotic zone. ” - http://mbgnet.info/salt/oceans/zone.htm
The only way they can tell an internal wave (ocean floor wave) is coming is through readings from specially equipped robots which measure the water density, salinity, etc change as the wave sweeps across the ocean floor… keep in mind, the wave can’t be seen, only sensed with the equipment on the robots. And, light doesn’t reach most of the ocean floor, so you couldn’t see it any way…
Yet, the answer has been around for so much longer, but too many people don’t want to know the truth, unless they can take the credit for discovering it themselves…
The Noble Quran - Muhsin Khan (explanation of the meaning) 24:40
Or [the state of a disbeliever] is like the darkness in a vast deep sea, overwhelmed with a great wave topped by a great wave, topped by dark clouds, darkness, one above another, if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! And he for whom Allah has not appointed light, for him there is no light.
Islam was revealed over 1400 years ago, yet states what scientist claim to have just discovered within the last century, and even today no man no has been able to reach the ocean floor to see with his (or her) own eyes what is reported by (secular) scientist and as is clearly stated in the Quran revealed over 1400 years ago.
You owe it to yourself to know why you were created… Don’t let people’s opinions carry your judgments… Once the truth has become apparent, it is upon us to accept it as such…
Why Are We Here?
In the Name of Almighty GOD, the All-Merciful, the One who created the heavens and the earth and everything in them, the only One who deserves mankind’s worship…
A simple look at the world around us is all it takes to understand what many never take time to reflect upon. The details of this awesome universe we live in explicitly prove the presence of a magnificent and unequaled author.
Some try to deny His existence, relying on their invented theories, assumptions derived from unproven conjecture and guesses. They conjure principles that no rational mind can follow. For example, they say that our universe is a “cosmic coincidence,” a result of billions of years of random self-assembly. However, if they would come out of their house in the morning and find a new car in their driveway, they would demand to know who put it there. Imagine if was said to them: “No one put it there, in fact the parts just gathered from unknown places and assembled themselves overnight with no one’s help. This is the result of a cosmic coicindence!”
No one in his right mind could accept this answer. Indeed GOD gave us intellects that do not allow us to believe such nonsense.
So if people can not accept the parts of a single car coming together randomly, then how can they believe that the entire universe accomplished such a feat?! From the sky full of stars and other visual wonders, to microscopic organisms we are still discovering, to the design and function of the organs of the human body, can one possibly believe that all of this is the result of a mere coincidence?
Look up and think about how everything you see is organized in such a perfect way! The sun, a ball of fire millions of miles away, provides us with the heat and light we depend on every day. About it, GOD says:
And I (GOD) made a blazing, radiant lantern (78:13)
After the length of the day, mankind indeed needs a rest from the warmth and illumination of the sun. GOD causes the sun to set and gives us darkness to rest, and a perfect nightlight the moon and the splendorous stars. What masterful organization! GOD says:
He (GOD) has put the night and the day in your service, as well as the sun, the moon, and the stars - all in subjection by His Command. Verily in this there are signs for people of intellect. (16:12)
And GOD says:
Don’t you see how GOD merges the night into the day and He merges the day into the night, (don’t you see) that He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law), each running its course for an appointed term? And surely GOD is well-acquainted with what you do. (31:29)
GOD also says:
Among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon, rather prostrate to GOD, the One who created them, if you really wish to worship Him. (41:37)
Today’s scientists comment on the precise balance of the sun and moon, guessing at the innumerous disasters that would occur if the sun or the moon were to stray from their paths the slightest bit. The rational mind can come to only one conclusion, that indeed something is keeping all of this in order. GOD says:
He (GOD) draws the night as a veil over the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession. He (GOD) created the sun, the moon, and the stars, all governed by His Command. Is it not His Right to create and govern? Blessed is GOD, the Cherisher and Sustainer of all that exists! (7:54)
We understand quite clearly that, since this paper you are reading was written, then there was a writer, even though you do not see him. And for every speech there was a speaker, and every delicious dish has a cook behind it. So for every creation, including our very existence, there is indeed a creator.