not a debater, just an adviser… - 16 July 2009 03:27 PM
Being secular is in fact being separate from religion; Islam is not only a religion, but all-encompassing way of life. Islam is submission to the will of Allah in every aspect of our lives (All-Mighty God, Dios, ....one and the same.) There is no separation between Islam and Life, for Islam is the point of Life.
The religion of Islam governs every aspect of our lives from childbirth to prayer to business to marriage to death, etc, etc, etc (whether we adhere to it correctly or not is another matter to be addressed by practicing muslims of sound mind to muslims accordingly, certainly not by heretics and atheists and those others with evil intentions).
The fact is, Islam is not separated from any part of our lives.
Therefore, to use the term ‘secularislam’ (whether in your misleading url or otherwise, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It is a complete contradiction in meanings)....
“Secularism: The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education”
The will of Allah is up for debate because of interpretations, and todays society.
There are varying degrees with followers of Islam, there are those who go to the extreme, and there are those who are moderate, and EVERYBODY has their own personal interpretation.
not a debater, just an adviser… - 16 July 2009 03:27 PM
The truth is, secularist want to create their own rules based on their own whims and desires, ignorance, etc, etc…
Islam is a roadblock in their (secularist) evil plots, since Islam is based on worshiping the creator of all things, as apposed to worshiping all things created (as done by the secularist)...
Secularists worship existance, and hold value in life, and people, above all things.
It has gotten them where they are today. It pleases the creator when his creations have pride, and dignity in themselves, and a will to succeed, and progress.
To do otherwise is to bring shame upon the creator.
not a debater, just an adviser… - 16 July 2009 03:27 PM
Just because you desire something, or you use those loser clichés (oh, do whatever feels right…oh it’s all what’s in your heart…oh do what makes you feel good..etc.) doesn’t make it ok to involve ourselves in that matter of desire… If you disagree with that statement, then you are indirectly (or maybe directly) condoning such evil acts as murder, rape, etc… If you read some of the interviews with serial killers and other criminals, you will notice they all say in some way that they did what they did based on DESIRES, EMOTIONS, etc… Many evil people in history committed crimes that they merely brush off as being what they felt was the right thing to do (of course based on their whims and desires, emotions, etc…)
Including muslims, and everyone else of every belief system. Murderers and rapists face consequences for their actions.
What you are saying has nothing to do with secularists specifically. Even with differing belief systems, you validate whatever you want to do by finding the validation in your belief system, you search for it specifically, and then once you find it (ignoring all the contradictions along the way), you feel even more validated to carry it out than someone who merely “felt” like doing it in the first place but didn’t need further validation.
Further validation will be seen as encouragement.. from a deity..
not a debater, just an adviser… - 16 July 2009 03:27 PM
Secularist merely follow the same pattern of ‘It makes me feel good so I’ll do it’ mentality. They don’t want to follow Islam because they are cowards to live in and deal with reality, as apposed to living in their make-believe fantasy lives…
They say the same thing about you.
not a debater, just an adviser… - 16 July 2009 03:27 PM
They live a life of falsehood, because life is just so much easier for them to deal with when they aren’t really dealing with life at all. They just make-up their own fantasy as they go along in their miserable lives… intellect is one of the characteristics which differentiates us from animals…of which anyone claiming secularism has probably forgotten in the toilet. Rather than trying to invent your own ‘purpose of life’ gimmick, you need to realize you didn’t create yourselves, and you can’t prevent the end of yourselves, and the world was not created for you to do whatever whenever to whomever based on your own ignorant self-invented copycat mentality.
Who is the copy cat? Who is the one who has forgotten intellect? The One who actively searches for truth, and makes decisions based on his/her experiences and all available knowledge? Or the one subscribing to a belief system with rules which everyone follows? If you had come to the conclusion of Islam without ever hearing about it, if you had built it’s practices and philosophies through your own experience alone as opposed to indoctrination, then that would be YOUR truth. But indoctrination is not your truth, it is somebody elses, that you have stolen and called your own.
not a debater, just an adviser… - 16 July 2009 03:27 PM
The fact is, secular or not, we will all still die one day, and your daydreaming can’t change that fact…
Death should not be feared, and to DO something, or pretend to believe something, out of fear is to insult that thing by tainting the very purpose.
not a debater, just an adviser… - 16 July 2009 03:27 PM
So, logic would tell anyone of sound mind, “why don’t you stop living without a real purpose (besides what you make-up as you go along), and start at least investigating with SINCERITY why you are HERE. God-Almighty Willing, you will be guided to the truth.
That is what they are doing. Listening to any other person tell you why they think they are here and then applying that onto yourself because it sounds nice, or you respect that person is not an effective way of finding out the truth. It is an effective way of adopting a falsehood and living a lie. The only effective way of finding the truth is via your own personal experiences. Secularists are actively trying to enlighten themselves every single day. You suggest that they are just dragging their feet through life. Please tell me you are not that ignorant. They progress, and they shall continue to do so, it is obviously why we are here, to progress and to enlighten ourselves with our own truths.
not a debater, just an adviser… - 16 July 2009 03:27 PM
I apologize if I seemed a bit harsh, but really, think about it, you only have one life, and you will die without notice, and you can’t do anything to change that fact…Don’t YOU atleast respect yourselves enough to believe you deserve to know the truth of why you were created, while you still have the opportunity…It’s your Right to Know why you were created.. Don’t belittle yourselves by blind-following the blind… Give yourself what you are entitled to, the Truth..
I Sincerely Ask God All-mighty to guide us ALL to what he Loves, and protect us from that which he Hates. ameen.
You obviously think you know why you were created, and why everyone was created… what makes you believe that secularists don’t think they know?
You can prove absolutely nothing.
If you could, secularists would not exist, but they do, and they are growing, because it is an effective and dignified way to live ones life. Secularism leaves room to evolve, room to adapt, as the truth reveals itself.. Subscribed belief systems are often not willing to do so. Your criticisms are noted, but they are water off a ducks back. The Secularist way of life is to always seek truth. Do you honestly believe we have not tirelessly read up on many other belief systems? We take from them, that which rings true to us.
But at the end of the day, we create our own ideologies from scattered wisdoms and experiences. And in that way, we are righteous.
Yes, potty jokes are always appropriate, when your argument is not up to snuff!
