Patriotic war protest justified
Posted: 12 May 2006 04:31 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I saw a documentary during the Ten Amendments Day here
in Indiana, it was about dissenting from the government’s
actions.  As a watched, I suddenly realized that consuming
the mainstream media news has placed me inside of a bubble.
It is a bubble that has isolated me from some important
news that the government would probably like me to be
unaware of.  There are very many protesters against the
Iraq war.  A big one happened in NYC recently and I heard
nothing about it, maybe you should be aware of it too.
So I took a walk through the web and this are some things
that I found which you might like to be aware of.

Some famous names attending that NYC war protest were
Cindy Sheehan, Susan Sarandon, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al
Sharpton, "Veterans for Peace", and "Iraq Veterans Against
The War" according to this AP article:

"Tens of thousands in NYC protest war"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-29-protest_x.htm

Maybe some people are afraid of offending the troops and
so avoid protesting the government actions, and need to
know that they can support the troops and protest the
wars and the unlawful secret domestic actions.  When
there is torture, a forever war with no exit strategy,
a war based on fear tactics that deceive the American
public, undermining of the funding for the troops for
commercial gains, thousands of dead American soldiers,
tens of thousands of wounded Americans, perhaps tens or
even hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and Afghans,
hundreds of billions spent (deficit spending), then it is
patriotic to protest the wars.

Vietnam Veterans Against the War
http://www.vvaw.org/

Veterans Against The Iraq War
http://www.vaiw.org

Iraq Veterans Against the War
http://www.ivaw.net/

Gold Star Families For Peace
http://www.gsfp.org/

We have old American values against war atrocities,
such as torture, and that is what had earned America the
great respect that we once had.  But those values seem to
be forgotten and so the world’s good will towards us was
squandered.  _THE_BUSH_ADMINISTRATION_ has shown almost no
commitment to those values, they are forgotten and so we
are now almost universally despised in the world.  I don’t
blame the world for their disgust, this is justified by
Bush’s policies.  Our status in the world has gone through
a complete reversal since the days after September 11,
2001 when the world stood behind us in empathy.  We need
our American values back!

The loss of the values against war atrocities by Americans
not new, there is a history behind this loss.  In 2004
candidate John Kerry had talked about the Winter Soldier
Investigation in Detroit, 1971.  Some transcripts are
online, and in the closing Don Duncan summarizes, "You’re
talking about destroying the means to resist—that is
killing people. Our country has set out very systematically
to kill whatever number of people are necessary in Vietnam
to stop them from resisting whatever it is we are trying
to impose on that country.  This, I think, is policy."

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html

I don’t know what Bush’s plan for victory will be whenever
he gets around to figuring one out, but I don’t want to
risk waiting around long enough for that history to repeat
itself raising the question of whether that is or isn’t
the true policy, and having done nothing to stop it.

Veteran John Kerry has a front page statement about the
war policy being wrong on his web site saying:

"I believed then, just as I believe now, that it is
profoundly wrong to think that fighting for your country
overseas and fighting for your country’s ideals at home are
contradictory or even separate duties. They are, in fact,
two sides of the very same patriotic coin."

Later he says, "As Thomas Jefferson said, ‘dissent is the
highest form of patriotism.’"

http://www.johnkerry.com/

I just want to raise awareness that it is not only okay to
protest the tragic Bush war policy but also patriotic,
don’t let the warmonger attacks and dirty language
tricks against dissent fool you into thinking otherwise.
If people don’t realize that there is a reasonable option
to the Bush war policy, then they might stay silent and
unintentionally imply tacit approval.  Many don’t see the
war in Iraq as going well, and that number is growing. "69
percent of Republicans saying the situation—the war
is going well, 29 percent of Democrats saying the war is
going well. They’re looking at the same war."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june06/polls_3-17.html

- steve s.

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Patriotic war protest justified

I saw a documentary during the Ten Amendments Day here
in Indiana, it was about dissenting from the government’s
actions.  As a watched, I suddenly realized that consuming
the mainstream media news has placed me inside of a bubble.
It is a bubble that has isolated me from some important
news that the government would probably like me to be
unaware of.  There are very many protesters against the
Iraq war.  A big one happened in NYC recently and I heard
nothing about it, maybe you should be aware of it too.
So I took a walk through the web and this are some things
that I found which you might like to be aware of.

Some famous names attending that NYC war protest were
Cindy Sheehan, Susan Sarandon, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al
Sharpton, “Veterans for Peace”, and “Iraq Veterans Against
The War” according to this AP article:

“Tens of thousands in NYC protest war”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-29-protest_x.htm

Maybe some people are afraid of offending the troops and
so avoid protesting the government actions, and need to
know that they can support the troops and protest the
wars and the unlawful secret domestic actions.  When
there is torture, a forever war with no exit strategy,
a war based on fear tactics that deceive the American
public, undermining of the funding for the troops for
commercial gains, thousands of dead American soldiers,
tens of thousands of wounded Americans, perhaps tens or
even hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and Afghans,
hundreds of billions spent (deficit spending), then it is
patriotic to protest the wars.

Vietnam Veterans Against the War
http://www.vvaw.org/

Veterans Against The Iraq War
http://www.vaiw.org

Iraq Veterans Against the War
http://www.ivaw.net/

Gold Star Families For Peace
http://www.gsfp.org/

We have old American values against war atrocities,
such as torture, and that is what had earned America the
great respect that we once had.  But those values seem to
be forgotten and so the world’s good will towards us was
squandered.  _THE_BUSH_ADMINISTRATION_ has shown almost no
commitment to those values, they are forgotten and so we
are now almost universally despised in the world.  I don’t
blame the world for their disgust, this is justified by
Bush’s policies.  Our status in the world has gone through
a complete reversal since the days after September 11,
2001 when the world stood behind us in empathy.  We need
our American values back!

The loss of the values against war atrocities by Americans
not new, there is a history behind this loss.  In 2004
candidate John Kerry had talked about the Winter Soldier
Investigation in Detroit, 1971.  Some transcripts are
online, and in the closing Don Duncan summarizes, “You’re
talking about destroying the means to resist—that is
killing people. Our country has set out very systematically
to kill whatever number of people are necessary in Vietnam
to stop them from resisting whatever it is we are trying
to impose on that country.  This, I think, is policy.”

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html

I don’t know what Bush’s plan for victory will be whenever
he gets around to figuring one out, but I don’t want to
risk waiting around long enough for that history to repeat
itself raising the question of whether that is or isn’t
the true policy, and having done nothing to stop it.

Veteran John Kerry has a front page statement about the
war policy being wrong on his web site saying:

“I believed then, just as I believe now, that it is
profoundly wrong to think that fighting for your country
overseas and fighting for your country’s ideals at home are
contradictory or even separate duties. They are, in fact,
two sides of the very same patriotic coin.”

Later he says, “As Thomas Jefferson said, ‘dissent is the
highest form of patriotism.’”

http://www.johnkerry.com/

I just want to raise awareness that it is not only okay to
protest the tragic Bush war policy but also patriotic,
don’t let the warmonger attacks and dirty language
tricks against dissent fool you into thinking otherwise.
If people don’t realize that there is a reasonable option
to the Bush war policy, then they might stay silent and
unintentionally imply tacit approval.  Many don’t see the
war in Iraq as going well, and that number is growing. “69
percent of Republicans saying the situation—the war
is going well, 29 percent of Democrats saying the war is
going well. They’re looking at the same war.”

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june06/polls_3-17.html

- steve s.

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