In defense of Obama
Posted: 15 September 2009 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]
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What of the “Greatest Generation”?  What of their loyalty?  What of their character?  Where is the next “Greatest Generation”? At a time when our nation was under attack, this generation pulled together for our nation.  This generation sacrificed for its country.  This generation grew “victory gardens” and bought “war bonds”.  This generation recycled aluminum and conserved nylon.  It was popular to defend and praise and trust in our government.  It was popular to be an American.  So what has changed?  Our country is in perilous danger today, and where is this character now?  Where is this generation?  Where are their children?  Due to many years of bad decisions influenced by the capitalist interests of the most wealthy of our industries, our economy has collapsed during a period of multiple wars.  And now that the country is in need of our best qualities and our “better Angels”, all of a sudden our President can’t be trusted.  Now our President asks us to sacrifice and it is indoctrination?  Now our President tells us to help those less fortunate and he is a Socialist, no Marxist, no Fascist, hell Hitler?!?  So what has changed?  Is it the character of our President or the character of the opposition?  What else could be different?  Now our President is African-American, no he’s black and that is the problem.  He’s not trustworthy; he’s different; he’s the other.  People, PLEASE get over his name, his exoticness.  President Obama doesn’t want a government take over of the health or car or any other industry.  He, like many of those working with him, is trying anything he can to fix this mess.  To accuse him of any other motive is disingenuous and not based on any factual evidence.  There is no reason to believe his motives are any different than he proclaims.  So far he has kept more campaign promises than any other candidate faced with the realities of actually being the President. 

To all those protesters and Presidential nay-sayer; I say, in defense of President Obama, I don’t believe you when you say you don’t trust our President.  You have no reason to mistrust our President, other than your own prejudices. 


Note: This is not to disparage the “Greatest Generation”.  My mother, who is over 70, is a wonderful member of this generation, as are my grandparent in-laws.  All of them, as well as many others I’m sure, are great and support this President.  I am referring to the greatness of their character and how it is lacking now.

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Posted: 17 September 2009 10:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Distrusting presidents is a good thing. The problem is with those people who trusted the president for most of this century. Or in the 1980s.

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Posted: 18 September 2009 06:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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shiraz - 17 September 2009 10:18 AM

Distrusting presidents is a good thing. The problem is with those people who trusted the president for most of this century. Or in the 1980s.

Well, I disagree with you (not a big surprise).  I don’t think it makes any sense to elect officials to run the country and then not trust them.  However, my point was that the only reason this president is considered untrustworthy by some is race. 

The media has been trying really hard to play down what Jimmy Carter said mostly because the anchors and their pundits are in a different environment.  I think it is easy for people in big cities to think racism is mostly gone and definitely taboo.  However, the bulk of small towns/rural America and suburbs are littered with a dirty little white secret, and that is racism.  It first surfaces as classism the whole “people on welfare” thing is a ploy that leads to “those people”.  People like to pretend they aren’t racist, but somehow they just don’t trust Obama.  I’m just calling that bluff.

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Posted: 18 September 2009 06:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Carter is right. Nevertheless, it is healthy to distrust the people in power, even the good ones.

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Posted: 22 September 2009 03:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Chicken - 18 September 2009 06:14 AM

I don’t think it makes any sense to elect officials to run the country and then not trust them.

i didnt elect him. i didnt vote for him or mccain. i recognize that there is an unelected dictatorship of money that not only dominates economic decisions made in the economy but in the political arena too.

it is no secret that only the candidates with corporate funding stand a chance to win.

in iran we recognize their democracy is severely limited by the guardian council of leaders who get to choose who is worthy of running for office. why then can we not see something similar and distrust it when business leaders and the wealthy do the same here in the US?

i dont oppose obama on the bigoted grounds the right does but on the grounds that he is a genuflector for the ruling class.

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Posted: 22 September 2009 07:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I don’t oppose President Obama, but I don’t necessarily support all his positions.
I personally found Bush’s mannerisms, inability to express his thoughts coherently, snarky laugh, and MANY other things off-putting.  But, the fundamental and only real issue for me was that I almost never agreed with his policy positions with the rare exception such as his immigration policy.

Obama is the opposite of Bush:  articulate, thoughtful, able to express an idea in complex terms.  BUT, I don’t agree with many of his positions, such as his Afghanistan policy.  And, that is how it should be.  Support WHAT you agree with, regardless of who it comes from.

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Posted: 23 September 2009 06:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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truthaddict - 22 September 2009 03:56 PM
Chicken - 18 September 2009 06:14 AM

I don’t think it makes any sense to elect officials to run the country and then not trust them.

i didnt elect him. i didnt vote for him or mccain. i recognize that there is an unelected dictatorship of money that not only dominates economic decisions made in the economy but in the political arena too.

Yeah, nice quote out of context.  You should be able to discern that the conversation between shiraz and I on this thread was more general.  I began the post with my commentary about the bigoted response from those people who oppose Obama.  Shiraz’s comment is that distrust of elected officials is a good thing, and I disagreed.  It was in general terms, and nobody claimed that YOU elected Obama.  Nonetheless the majority did elect him, thankfully.

I agree with the majority of your post.  The rich run this country, that is true.  Obama isn’t who I would have picked to be president, if I was the only one who got to decide that.  However, our system is broken and the best option we had was Obama.  I think he is leaps and bounds better than McCain, W, Bush Sr, Clinton, Carter, Ford, etc.  I agree that he has made sucky decisions, like the wire tapping that is still going on, and the crappy faith based initiatives.  But my point was that it has been popular in the past to rally around the president and the country in desperate times, and all of sudden the president is “untrustworthy”.  He is the best president we’ve had in a long time, and the people who find him untrustworthy as opposed to the other presidents are just racist.

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Posted: 23 September 2009 06:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Hawkfan - 22 September 2009 07:41 PM

I don’t oppose President Obama, but I don’t necessarily support all his positions.
I personally found Bush’s mannerisms, inability to express his thoughts coherently, snarky laugh, and MANY other things off-putting.  But, the fundamental and only real issue for me was that I almost never agreed with his policy positions with the rare exception such as his immigration policy.

Obama is the opposite of Bush:  articulate, thoughtful, able to express an idea in complex terms.  BUT, I don’t agree with many of his positions, such as his Afghanistan policy.  And, that is how it should be.  Support WHAT you agree with, regardless of who it comes from.

I agree with you.  And I don’t think my post in anyway addresses what you are talking about.  AGAIN, my post is in regards to the sentiment that somehow this president is untrustworthy as opposed to all the presidents that came before him.  The people making that claim are racists. 

I don’t like all of Obama’s decisions either, but I have never been under the delusion that I would.  Anyone who thinks they 100% agree with Obama are probably not paying enough attention.

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Posted: 23 September 2009 07:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Chicken - 23 September 2009 06:32 AM

Yeah, nice quote out of context.

i didnt intend to take it out of context. i still dont think i did but if you feel so then im sorry. like the above, it was just what i chose to respond to. there was a point i wanted to make and it was the previous quote that sparked my wanting to make it. thats all.

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Posted: 24 September 2009 04:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Chicken - 18 September 2009 06:14 AM

I don’t think it makes any sense to elect officials to run the country and then not trust them. 

“trust but verify”.

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Posted: 24 September 2009 05:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I think there is more than race to the opposition to Obama. Part of it is that he is a Democrat. After eight years of Bush/Cheney demonizing the opposition, Limbaugh spouting racist hate speech, Glenn Beck spreading his insanity, and Fox News indoctrinating people’s thoughts, conservatives now feel justified opposing Democrats no matter what they do. Add Obama’s skin color to the equation and the conservatives go apoplectic for no reason at all. They even blame Obama for things Bush did (bank bailout) and see an Obama-led socialist conspiracy in a Republican-written portion of the health care bill (death panels). When they can’t find anything to oppose they make up stuff (health care for illegal aliens).

The greatest generation defeated Hitler in WW II, but they turned out to be a bunch of racist, self-centered curmudgeons, and they instilled these “virtues” in most of their children. I remember in high school (ca 1970) reading “Atlas Shrugged” and discussing it in class. I was shocked how many of my classmates, friends, bought into a worldview I considered morally bankrupt. Now those people are in charge, and they have screwed us royally with their free-market dogma and blind patriotism.

I am also shocked at the racism still prevalent in our country. When I was younger I was naive enough to believe we would move past racism in my lifetime. I now see we may never get past such antediluvian thinking.

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