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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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So does that mean all Hindus who believe in a creator deity called Brahma are going to hell?  It would seem you condemn much of the world for not believing in your god concept.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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cmbf117 - 28 October 2009 06:51 PM

What makes you so absolutely, positively, sure all of the things you’re rambling on about are right?

Let me ask you this: Do you honestly think that, were you born somewhere else, you’d still think the things you do? If you had been born in Calcutta, do you honestly think you’d still be citing the bible and various Christian apologists as proof of your delusions, instead of touting the eternal truths of the Vedas and lighting incense at your shrine to Krishna?

Boy, your parents really did a number on you…

I truly believe that if I was raised in a place that never heard of God’s word, that if I believed in the Creator of the mountains and the stars if I was shown God’s word I would accept Christ, despite those around me worship false gods and false idos, because Jesus perfectly reflects God and so God would save me even though I had not been given special grace. God’s grace is suficient for all even though some only receive common grace and not the special grace of the gospel, because God knows each person and what they can and can’t handle.

How do I know I am right? I know God exists because nature can’t come from nothing (since that nothing doesn’t exist) and can’t always have been existing due to the exponential progression of conscience.

I know God has purpose because we have purpose and He is personal because we are personal. Would His standards be less than ours? Of course not. He is infinitely greater than us. And nowhere does God enter in His creation personally than in Christ as proven by the resurrectiton which you can’t explain away naturalistically given the data must skeptical scholars concede.

This is how I know you are going to Hell.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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macgyver - 28 October 2009 06:53 PM

I love this. So what are you saying Parture? That we should hedge our bets and believe in your god just on the nearly impossible chance that you are right just so we don’t go to hell? Then we should also make sure that we follow every other religion that exists or ever has exited so we don’t fall victim to the eternal damnation of their deities either. And while you’re at it the Flying Spaghetti Monster gets pretty angry if you waste the time of atheists with redundant inflammatory arguments so you may want to hedge your bets also Parture.

Nothing needs to be hedged. God exists as proven and Jesus is God as proven by His resurrection which you can’t find a naturalistic explanation. It’s a done deal! An accomplished fact! Scientificaly proven just as God said it would be by observing nature.

I think you can prove Jesus is better than FSM, e.g. Jesus is not a monster.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Mriana - 28 October 2009 07:12 PM

So does that mean all Hindus who believe in a creator deity called Brahma are going to hell?  It would seem you condemn much of the world for not believing in your god concept.

Yes, they are going to Hell, because any person in India should know better they are not coming back as a chicken in reincarnation, that hardly deals with sin properly and realistically.

God is not far away from any of us.

Brahma is also said to be amoral rather than moral. But we are moral beings so how could God have lesser standards than us?

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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Parture - 28 October 2009 07:07 PM
Mriana - 28 October 2009 06:45 PM

No we would not agree with that.  I know of few atheists who accept Pascal’s Wager.

How does Pascal’s wager change the fact that you would go to Hell if Jesus is already proven true?

I can show that such a belief and imposing it on other is psychological abuse, as well as no truth to such a belief.  However, I do feel sorry for you that you have been abused in such a manner.  IMHO nothing, including religion should be used abusively and that is what has been done to you and others.  Sadly, those who are abused with such a belief, generally do it to others.  It is the most damaging and most controlling.  The fact is, the Church is in the control business and sadly it has not only been abusive to you, but is controlling every thought you have.  I feel sorry that you have been abused in such a psychological manner.  I find it very sad, but you really do not need to continue the cycle of abuse.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Parture - 28 October 2009 07:19 PM
Mriana - 28 October 2009 07:12 PM

So does that mean all Hindus who believe in a creator deity called Brahma are going to hell?  It would seem you condemn much of the world for not believing in your god concept.

Yes, they are going to Hell, because any person in India should know better they are not coming back as a chicken in reincarnation, that hardly deals with sin properly and realistically.

God is not far away from any of us.

Brahma is also said to be amoral rather than moral. But we are moral beings so how could God have lesser standards than us?

Do they?  If you had been born in India you would probably have been raised Hindu.  They would also tell you, that their god is not far from you either.  It would only turn into a religious war to be so imposing and neither of you would win.  In the end, both sides would lose- probably mostly in lives.  Again, I feel sorry for you because you’ve been treated in such a manner.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Mriana - 28 October 2009 07:21 PM

I can show that such a belief and imposing it on other is psychological abuse, as well as no truth to such a belief.  However, I do feel sorry for you that you have been abused in such a manner.  IMHO nothing, including religion should be used abusively and that is what has been done to you and others.  Sadly, those who are abused with such a belief, generally do it to others.  It is the most damaging and most controlling.  The fact is, the Church is in the control business and sadly it has not only been abusive to you, but is controlling every thought you have.  I feel sorry that you have been abused in such a psychological manner.  I find it very sad, but you really do not need to continue the cycle of abuse.

Because of the sins of others doesn’t discount the proof of resurrection proving Jesus is God.

I am not sure how I was abused. I came to Christ without outside influences. It was a choice one day when I investigated the data.

Just as religious types are abusive so are atheists. 200 million people died in the 20th century due to those who believed in naturalism or lived like naturalists.

Jesus said the most beautiful thing on earth is what? He called it the pearl of great price. What is it? He said it is the Church. When the Church is in harmony and gathered and organized properly there is nothing more beautiful in the whole universe.

Jesus makes the disctinction between false Churches and THE Church. For example he calls the false Church religious Rome in Revelation 17, or in Matthew 13 there are those who are false tares posed as the Church but are not. Many will say in His name, Lord, Lord, didn’t we do miracles in your name? He responds, I never knew you. There are many false Christs and many false Christians. That’s different than atheism in that all atheists are going to Hell.

1/3 of all people call themselves Christians, but of all people less than 1 in 100 are probably saved. That’s reality because of the size of the New City only 1500 x 1500 miles. I can’t see more than 1.2 billion. Divide that into say 50 billion since Adam and 250 billion in the millennium, you can see what the savings ratio will be.

I feel sad for you want to be eternally separated from God and go to Hell, but you are a bad guy and that’s what you want so you send yourself to Hell. God gives you what you want. People don’t want to go to jail, but they do their crime they must due to the time.

Is atheism wrong because atheists have the highest divorce rate, they kill the most people, they have the fewest charities, they are the most crass people and most abusive of all? Perhaps, but I don’t use that argument; but since you do use that argument that must mean atheism is false. Otherwise you have a doublestandard. Which is unethical. I’ve never met an ethical atheist.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Mriana - 28 October 2009 07:23 PM

Do they?  If you had been born in India you would probably have been raised Hindu.  They would also tell you, that their god is not far from you either.  It would only turn into a religious war to be so imposing and neither of you would win.  In the end, both sides would lose- probably mostly in lives.  Again, I feel sorry for you because you’ve been treated in such a manner.

Everyone in India whether raised Hindu or not knows they are not coming back as a chicken so to take on that idea is to say you want to be separated from God for a false god, an idol. Worshiping an amoral god one knows better because we are not amoral nor would God be.

They very well may go to war for their false god, but that’s the evil of a false belief, brings about war like atheists war based on their false belief of naturalism.

I feel sorry for you because your selfishness prefers to remain eternally separated from God and your hard heart is blaming someone, probably something in your life caused you to be like. You sound like you are projecting how someone abused you. God says forgiven and forgiven even 77 times.

Instead of realizing this is the evil in the world, Satan is the god of this world and our battle is really with principalites and powers, you reject God for the pain you went through. You should read Job. He endured far more abuse then you could image, and his faith remained so you are without excuse.

And Jesus took upon the sins of the world. Nobody was punished more than Jesus was yet He went to the cross gladly to save you from your sins and self you cling onto so dearly.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Parture - 28 October 2009 07:36 PM

I am not sure how I was abused. I came to Christ without outside influences. It was a choice one day when I investigated the data.

Just as religious types are abusive so are atheists. 200 million people died in the 20th century due to those who believed in naturalism or lived like naturalists.

So if it was a choice you made on your own, then why are you imposing your beliefs?

I hardly believe people 200 million people died in the 20th century due to naturalism.  Everyone dies.  It is a fact of life. However, if you are talking part of that number being due to the Holocaust, then might I remind you that Hitler was an Xian.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Without atheists this guy would be living a thousand years in the past, because “we” make up a large number of the greatest leaders, inverters, philosophers, philanthropists, and business men. For the past 100 years scientist have been consistently about 60% non-believers. Bill gates and Warren Buffet donated the bulk of there wealth to charity getting the all time world records for philanthropy 1st and 2nd respectively. Intelligence is negatively correlated with religion, and so is “moral” behavior. You can find threads on my claims with the original science journal articles cited at
Morality Negatively Correlated to Belief in God and IQ

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Posted: 28 October 2009 08:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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As for the abuse aspects, the indoctrination is full of fear and guilt tactics.  Since then, one goes crazy trying to make sure they have their “fire insurance” and trying to make sure others do too.  You’ve taught that you are not allowed to trust your own judgement.  It’s really sad.  You can learn a little more about this here:  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6785959869005479120&ei=XwTpSqbHK56yqgKQ8ZzUDg&q=Marlene+Winell#  Maybe one day you will come to realize all of this and what you try to do others, but there are too many of us who spot it, thus know what is happening and so your attempts fail, to your frustration.  I’m just sorry you can’t see it and I’m sorry someone else did it to you.  I have a feeling you didn’t come to it on your own freewill, but rather convinced that you were, because you had to have learned these things from someone.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 08:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Mriana - 28 October 2009 07:52 PM

So if it was a choice you made on your own, then why are you imposing your beliefs?

I hardly believe people 200 million people died in the 20th century due to naturalism.  Everyone dies.  It is a fact of life. However, if you are talking part of that number being due to the Holocaust, then might I remind you that Hitler was an Xian.

I am not imposing my beliefs. I am not allowed to post here and talking about the joy and peace in the Holy Spirit? Why are you imposing your beliefs? Nobody forced you to post in this thread. You know you are imposing when you have no arguments for your beliefs and are just trolling.

Mao killed 60 million, Stalin 40 million, Hitler 30 million, etc. Vietnam invaded. They are atheists just like you, they are your brethren. North Korea are atheists, they invaded too. Japan is atheist they killed lots of WWII, etc.

All your arguments are so stupid and you bear false witness. Would Jesus do what Hitler did? Your arguments are so inconsistent and retarded and overassuming.

Whatever else Hitler believed, he was intent on having the loyalty of the German people directed towards the National Socialist German Workers’ Party first and foremost. This can for instance be seen by the song included by Richard Evans in his “The Third Reich In Power”, which was sung by the Hitler Youth at for instance the 1934 Nuremberg Party Rally:

Originally Posted by Hitler
We are the jolly Hitler Youth
We don’t need any Christian truth
For Adolf Hitler, our Leader,
Always is our interceder.

Whatever the Papist priests may try,
We’re Hitler’s children until we die;
We follow not Christ but Horst Wessel*,
Away with incense and holy water vessel!

As sons of our forebearers from times gone by
We march as we sing with banners held high.
I’m not a Christian, nor a Catholic,
I go with the SA[tan] through thin and thick
.

* An early Nazi “martyr”, who was the center-piece of much later propaganda, representing the ideal National Socialist.

Hitler was like you a Satanist.

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Posted: 28 October 2009 08:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Was Hitler an Atheist or did he believe in Religion?

Hitler’s Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953). From soc.religion.christian newsgroup’s Hitler FAQ.


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
“National Socialism and religion cannot exist together….
“The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity….
“Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.” (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday
“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.” (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday
“The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity….
“Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse….
“...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little….
“Christianity <is> the liar….
“We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.” (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night
“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.”

21st October, 1941, midday
“Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer….
“The decisive falsification of Jesus’ <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work… for the purposes of personal exploitation….
“Didn’t the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.” (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight
“Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery…. <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
“When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease.” (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday
“Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself….
“Pure Christianity—the Christianity of the catacombs—is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.” (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner
“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.” (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday
“It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors—but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie.”
“Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity…. My regret will have been that I couldn’t… behold <its demise>.” (p 278)

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Posted: 28 October 2009 08:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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You have change my mind I now except Jesus as my personal savior it took your special wisdom and deep incites that I had never heard before. I wont be evil any more, I am gonna go out and be a Jesus Warrior and help to convert others by going to other forums and making the same good points that athiest are evil, Jesus is all ways right, THE BIBLE IS FACT, SCIENTISTS ARE WRONG, how could we exist if god didn’t make us? My uncle is not a monkey so evolution makes no sense, GAYS CHOOSE TO BE FAGS CUZ theys like it and it makes jesus sad I will go to,

I am gonna go bomb an abortion clinic now bye

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Posted: 28 October 2009 08:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Parture - 28 October 2009 08:11 PM

I am not imposing my beliefs.

Yes, you are being imposing.

All your arguments are so stupid

This seems like something a child would say when they don’t wish to hear what another says.  It does not contribute anything to a discussion nor is it productive.

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