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Care to engage in intellectual religious conversation? (A rational, real-world Christian’s perspective)
Posted: 17 December 2009 06:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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WeeDie - 17 December 2009 05:12 AM

The only difference between material science and the science of mind or contemplative science, is that it is an individual journey, and the results can be confirmed by you only. It is completely experiential in nature.

As many of your posts, this one shows you have no clue what you are prattling about.

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Posted: 17 December 2009 06:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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WeeDie - 17 December 2009 05:12 AM

The only difference between material science and the science of mind or contemplative science, is that it is an individual journey, and the results can be confirmed by you only. It is completely experiential in nature.

As many of your posts, this one shows you have no clue what you are prattling about.

Care to elaborate on that?

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Posted: 17 December 2009 06:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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Science is a collaborative effort of developing ideas into testable theories, then running experiments to verify or falsify the theories. It requires peer review and repeatable experiments. It is not an individual journey and the results must be verified by other people, not merely by someone contemplating his naval. This “contemplative science” you practice is not science in any sense.

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Posted: 17 December 2009 06:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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If that is true, then science is incomplete. There are other ways to arrive at knowledge then through collaborative measures. However, contemplative “science”, can be verified by collaborative measures, although not observed by other instruments then directly through consciousness itself.

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Posted: 17 December 2009 06:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Of course science is incomplete, but it is the best method we have for discovering the nature of reality. Indeed, it is the only reliable method mankind has developed.

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Posted: 17 December 2009 06:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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Sorry for going OT so much, but I’d like to mention that my method is to investigate the feeling of “I am”, as often as I can. I find it a very progressive approach to the inquiry of what is.

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Posted: 17 December 2009 01:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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WeeDie - 17 December 2009 05:12 AM
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WeeDie - 16 December 2009 02:29 PM

I believe insight meditation is very much a science. Somehow I couldn’t post the link, but here it is: http://www.interactivebuddha.com/Mastering Adobe Version.pdf . It’s well worth the read.

Care to explain in what way it would qualify as a science?

There are exact methods which you practice, to arrive at repeatable results.
The only difference between material science and the science of mind or contemplative science, is that it is an individual journey, and the results can be confirmed by you only. It is completely experiential in nature.

How do you account for confirmation bias?

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Posted: 17 December 2009 07:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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You need not account for confirmation bias when you have the ability to believe six impossible things before breakfast.

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Posted: 17 December 2009 07:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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fotobits - 17 December 2009 07:39 PM

You need not account for confirmation bias when you have the ability to believe six impossible things before breakfast.

Touché fotobits. Touché.

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Posted: 18 December 2009 03:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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WeeDie - 17 December 2009 05:12 AM

The only difference between material science and the science of mind or contemplative science, is that it is an individual journey, and the results can be confirmed by you only. It is completely experiential in nature.

I disagree that this is the only difference.

The difference between making up your own language and talking to yourself,  and speaking a common language and communicating with your fellow humans, and working with them to actually accomlish and achieve things, is enormous.

It is quite clear that everyone benefits from advanced in material science—we might not be alive today except for advances in medicine and agriculture.

Material Science is also experiential—but the experience can be shared/confirmed/improved by others.

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