the organic market, especially spinach, has been the source of more recalls than any other fresh food produce I can think of.
Maybe you are only remembering the hits and forgetting the misses. Taking a look at the major e coli outbreaks over the last few years, I see beef, beef, beef, taco bell, cookie dough, and wayyyy at the bottom there is a single link to fresh spinach:
This is not to say that there are not occasional problems with the cleanliness and health of organic food, but it seems that it is far less than that of conventional food. And the problems occur (I believe) not due to the organic nature of the food, but rather because of the industrial aspect of growing the food.
Sorry, I wasn’t being more specific. I’m talking about the produce market. Yes I remember the beef. I’ve taken care of many kids with HUS from E.coli infected beef. I also remember the cookie dough, that was a weird one….
I watched the interview last night on Colbert report and it would be clear to anyone with brains in their head that Michael Specter is sleeping with the corporate pharmaceutical industry- simply speaking, he is a whore. Let’s see - he wants you to be logical. Fair enough - I am, and that’s why for me someone with the journalism degree is no authority when it comes to my health. He has an arts degree, degree that teaches you how to write (BS mostly), not a health or a science degree, so listening to him when it comes to your nutrition is idiotic at best. Moving on.
Pesticides has been proven by SCIENCE (yes the same science he wants you to trust ) to have a multitude of nasty effects on your body (cancer is one of them, tsk tsk, yes I am looking at you - that poster who doubts that his friend got cancer from DDT - looky here http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071009082406.htm).
If you do the research, the evidence of harm caused by pesticides, GMO foods and other nasty things is right there, proven by science.
So clearly, Specter has some kind of agenda here - and this agenda cares very little about your health. Ironically, he is the true denier of real science, the same science that tells you to take vitamins, antioxidants, and drink juice. You, as a reader, can choose to believe him (a journalist without ANY science credentials) or real doctors and nutritionists who do have these credentials. The choice is yours and for me it’s pretty logical and clear.
His talk about harm of organic farming to Africa is laughable at best. He should stick to writing about politics, instead of health. What a crock of BS.
This is written by actual scientists (as in people who went to university and got their science degrees), not some guy with a writing degree with a penchant for hysteria.
I encourage everyone who actually cares about their health to research REAL SCIENCE and not read bogus books in nice covers written by a corporate whore.
This is written by actual scientists (as in people who went to university and got their science degrees), not some guy with a writing degree with a penchant for hysteria.
I encourage everyone who actually cares about their health to research REAL SCIENCE and not read bogus books in nice covers written by a corporate whore.
I am a “REAL SCIENTIST” with graduate degrees in biochemistry, cell biology and physiology.
The bilge you just posted - a bunch of physicians calling themselves the American Academy of Environmental Science - are as bad as or worse than the “snake-oil salesmen” you decry.
I will TRUST a physician ONLY after asking him scientific questions before he lays a finger on me.
Physicians are not researchers, they are “readers”, they are anything but credible scientists unless they spend a lot of time in the laboratory, and foreswear the big bucks.
I could dissect the bilge in the first item I read IF I THOUGHT THE FIRST ITEM was of any value.
I suspect I will now be subjected to the babbling of buffoons who know little about science who trust physicians to be on top of “cutting edge” science
I suspect I will now be subjected to the babbling of buffoons who know little about science who trust physicians to be on top of “cutting edge” science
You still make no sense, my friend.
And let’s not get personal here - I couldn’t care less about your background.
Logically, if I shouldn’t trust MDs (whether I actually do or do not is irrelevant to this discussion), I should trust a journalist even LESS, as a journalist has absolutely NO knowledge of anything even related to health or science. In fact, Specter was covering Chechnya 10 years ago, why is he writing about nutrition now? The people that wrote the article I quoted, are medical doctors, and given their background I would rather trust them, than some guy who took an arts degree.
Why should he be trusted to provide health advice?
Next, vitamins are not needed, he tells me. This is news to me. Does he have any real scientific studies to back up this claim? Or is it his opinion?
If you are a scientist, as you claim to be, you should try to get to the bottom of his ridiculous claims, but then again, it’s up to you. I choose not to listen to a journalist when it comes to MY health.
Re: pesticides, he seems to think that they are OK to consume. I guess he hasn’t heard that pesticides are poisonous, again, this has been proven by science. Actually, pesticides do their job so well, precisely BECAUSE they are poisonous. That’s why, when they are sprayed, it’s not recommended to be around. Because they are poisonous. DDT is poisonous. You can argue here as much as you want, but these are facts.
I watched the interview last night on Colbert report and it would be clear to anyone with brains in their head that Michael Specter is sleeping with the corporate pharmaceutical industry- simply speaking, he is a whore. Let’s see - he wants you to be logical. Fair enough - I am, and that’s why for me someone with the journalism degree is no authority when it comes to my health. He has an arts degree, degree that teaches you how to write (BS mostly), not a health or a science degree, so listening to him when it comes to your nutrition is idiotic at best. Moving on.
Pesticides has been proven by SCIENCE (yes the same science he wants you to trust ) to have a multitude of nasty effects on your body (cancer is one of them, tsk tsk, yes I am looking at you - that poster who doubts that his friend got cancer from DDT - looky here http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071009082406.htm).
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Slateblue,
The color of my car!!
I won’t waste any time on you because ... it would be wasteful.
Lots of chemicals have been classified as “potential/probable carcinogens” based on work with lab animals given massive doses of the chemicals.
But just as the LD50 tests proved worthless in predicting threats to human health, I defy you to provide a single case of a “potential carcinogen” causing cancer in humans. ———————————————————————-
I’m limiting your work to agricultural chemicals and leaving out asbestos and dioxin, the latter having caused cancer in a small number of workers in direct contact with high levels of dioxin synthesis.
I will TRUST a physician ONLY after asking him scientific questions before he lays a finger on me.
but yet, you seem to trust Specter, who lacks ANY scientific training.
Nice done:)
Spector is a Gore is an Ehrlich is a nobody!
I know what he is and agree he is another wretch getting rich on the trust of undereducated laymen.
Some human types are born to be skeptics, but far too many are born to cheat, lie and steal. ———————————————————————
There really is no difference in lack of qualifications between a Gore and a Spector.
Drop your arrogance, please - your attitude is not going to play any role in this argument.
Let’s stay on the topic, shall we.
Specter claims that pesticides are safe, science says otherwise. As a scientist, I am sure, you are aware of pesticides’ health risks.
Yes, everything can be poison, (even water). Pesticides have already been declared as poisonous substances, whether they cause cancer in your or me or you neighbour will vary - everyone is different. But nevertheless, they are poisonous, and logically, one should try to consume less of them, not more, like Specter tells you.
The point is here, that this guy is deceiving the general public. The same general public that trusts people like him, and listens to every word the media has said.
I will TRUST a physician ONLY after asking him scientific questions before he lays a finger on me.
but yet, you seem to trust Specter, who lacks ANY scientific training.
Nice done:)
Spector is a Gore is an Ehrlich is a nobody!
I know what he is and agree he is another wretch getting rich on the trust of undereducated laymen.
Some human types are born to be skeptics, but far too many are born to cheat, lie and steal. ———————————————————————
There really is no difference in lack of qualifications between a Gore and a Spector.
I’m ambivalent about replying or even paying attention to crude and blustering posters. I’m the one mentioned as doubting DDT caused my friend’s cancer. The poster refers me to a second hand popular account of one study that suggests a link but also indicates conclusions are premature. What I actually said was that it seemed odd she would suspect parts per billion of agricultural pesticides ahead of pounds of illegal drugs complete with unknown contaminants and adulterants. And I said DDT was rapidly embraced because it is so much safer than what it replaced. I stand by both remarks.
I should add that for all the fear-mongering, people have a birth-to-death average lifespan of 77 years, woman alone, 83.
And so-called “organic” food has not had a dam thing to do with it. Nor has smoking, drinking, cholesterol intake, and even wars lessened that ever increasing lifespan.
And the USA population hasn’t the longest lifespan among other peoples of the world - especially those countries with more homogeneous populations such as Japan, Europe and the Scandanavian countries. ————————————————————
Argue reasons for those statistics while you’re chewing bark and twigs to add fiber to your diets.
