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Greetings from Zimbabwe!!!
Posted: 25 May 2010 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Greeting Brothers and Sisters!
I’m a new member from Zimbabwe. I hope we are going to have a nice time together and I’m hoping to learn as much as possible from all of you. I also hope to enjoy your warm friendship and companionship.
Thank you!!!

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Posted: 25 May 2010 10:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Welcome to the CFI Forum, AS. Glad to have you here from Zimbabwe. Please feel free to let us know your thoughts.

Cheers,

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Posted: 25 May 2010 10:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Welcome, A_S.  As I understand it, there are problems in Zimbabwe with possible government acquisition of foreign own companies.  This must be causing some difficulties for many.  I hope you are not hurt by any of that.

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Posted: 25 May 2010 02:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Welcome. Glad to have you here A. S.  I really don’t know a whole lot about Zimbabwe.  Maybe we could tell us about it, esp since two of us have asked.

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Posted: 25 May 2010 11:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Indeed, welcome!

Hope to chat and learn something from you as well.

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Posted: 26 May 2010 09:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Thank you all for taking your time to welcome me…... @Occam and @Mriana, yes there are problems in Zimbabwe just like in most of the African countries. These post-colonial elites hoodwink a lot of the gullibe illiterate masses into believing that they will benefit from the so called “empowerment policies” yet they are just meant to further enrich the ruling classes. There is also this belief among many that foreign companies are there to “loot” without regard to the thousands of people they employ and so forth. I just hope that reason will prevail and my country will be free again and the rights of people will be respected as well as restoration of their civil liberties.

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Posted: 26 May 2010 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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That is not only sad, but horrible.  :(

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Posted: 26 May 2010 11:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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That is not only sad, but horrible.  :(

And such is the last 4 or 500 years of African history.

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Posted: 26 May 2010 11:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Dead Monky - 26 May 2010 11:06 AM

That is not only sad, but horrible.  :(

And such is the last 4 or 500 years of African history.

Yes, quite true.  Even their own government sold their people out during the slave trade.

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Posted: 26 May 2010 11:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Mriana - 26 May 2010 11:30 AM

Yes, quite true.  Even their own government sold their people out during the slave trade.

Well, yeah, but I cant say its an inherent trait in African people, No! Most of us are intellingent and well meaning but the problem is that of weak institutions, weak democratic values and of course the mighty overbearing power of the state. Some of you might remember that the prevoius government in my country was voted out of office and this was followed by state sanctioned brutality against the people and hundreds of innocent people were raped, maimed and killed for simply expressing their vote. Mugabe was even quoted saying in one of his rallies before his sham one man election “The x (meaning the vote) cannot be mightier than the bullet”. This is what African people are facing, Presidents sanctioning violence against their own people. However, we are not giving up the fight for democracy and respect for human rights. We are using peaceful means and they are painfully slow but will achieve results one day. If we try to fight using guns against mugabe and his henchmen my country will degenerate into another Somalia and that wont be good for humanity…...x

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Posted: 27 May 2010 12:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Mriana, they didn’t see it as ‘selling their own’, they saw the separate tribes as being ‘other’, as much ‘other’ as they saw the Europeans. It continues today an example are the massacres between the Hutu and Tutsi tribes. The Spaniards killed the English. The Germans killed the French, the difference is that no one came from far far away to make it profitable to take the ‘others’ off their hands.

Zimbabwe used to be known as Rhodesia, after Sir Cecil Rhodes of the Rhodes Scholarship fame. Zimbabwe is rich in diamonds, but has a weak government.

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Posted: 27 May 2010 09:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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asanta - 27 May 2010 12:46 AM

Mriana, they didn’t see it as ‘selling their own’, they saw the separate tribes as being ‘other’, as much ‘other’ as they saw the Europeans. It continues today an example are the massacres between the Hutu and Tutsi tribes. The Spaniards killed the English. The Germans killed the French, the difference is that no one came from far far away to make it profitable to take the ‘others’ off their hands.

Zimbabwe used to be known as Rhodesia, after Sir Cecil Rhodes of the Rhodes Scholarship fame. Zimbabwe is rich in diamonds, but has a weak government.

They may not have seen it that way, but that is what they did.

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Posted: 27 May 2010 12:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Mriana - 27 May 2010 09:09 AM

They may not have seen it that way, but that is what they did.

...in the same way the participants in the inter-European wars ‘killed their own’. The slave trade was horrific and continues in Africa to this day, I wish there was a solution that would bring it to an end.

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Posted: 27 May 2010 01:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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asanta - 27 May 2010 12:48 PM

I wish there was a solution that would bring it to an end.

There is: time and natural selection.

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Posted: 27 May 2010 04:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Unfortunately, George, we can’t assume that ethics, empathy, and humanitarian ideas are preferable traits for survival.  It may be that the reverse of them tend to be more successful characteristics for producing the next generation.

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Posted: 27 May 2010 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Judging by the history of our species, Occam, that doesn’t seem to have been the selected trend for thousands of years now—except perhaps for a few isolated primitive societies where violent men still experience greater reproductive success.

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